No, if you have got money and/ or a stable job. It is if you are poor or just about managing. Leavers will be held to account if this goes pear shaped.
Absolutely no way you can predict anything that far into the future.
I think this country was still paying for WWII up to a decade ago.
Britain to make its final payment on World War II loan from U.S. - Business - International Herald Tribune
Money isn't everything.
Leavers will be held to account if this goes pear shaped.
Let's hope so. They'll deserve it.
Who's pissed on your chips?
Everyone who voted to leave the EU.
It’s the fault of those who didn’t vote for it apparently not those who did. Them foundations were laid almost as soon as the result was known.Let's hope so. They'll deserve it.
Some things are definitely wrong with the EU. It doesn’t mean leaving is the answer.17.4 million people.
Yes, you can blame the red bus, right wing propaganda, Nigel Farage...
Don't you think though, if 17.4 million people vote for something, then maybe, just maybe something is wrong with the EU?
17.4 million people.
Yes, you can blame the red bus, right wing propaganda, Nigel Farage...
Don't you think though, if 17.4 million people vote for something, then maybe, just maybe something is wrong with the EU?
If the EU wasn't so intransigent that would be reasonable, but they resist reform to improve democracy, for the most part that's why I voted leave.Some things are definitely wrong with the EU. It doesn’t mean leaving is the answer.
Sorry I spoiled your chips, Torchy!Everyone who voted to leave the EU.
The democracy argument is surely nonsense while the very decisions to leave have to be authorised by an unelected head of state and an unelected higher chamber.If the EU wasn't so intransigent that would be reasonable, but they resist reform to improve democracy, for the most part that's why I voted leave.
No. Something may be wrong with the people passing off their nationalistic narrative. On the one hand we are protected by environmental and labour laws from the EU. On the other hand the rich and powerful newspaper owners and hedge fund owners don’t like this ‚red tape‘ and would rather their investments and offshore cash would be protected by a right wing Tory government. John Major is a centrist in comparison. Maggie Thatcher is even more „liberal“ with regard to the EU than, say, Farage oder Rees Mogg. Just look at the people telling you that they are giving you sovereignty and blue passports and ask yourself why, these wealthy people who live on a different planet to us, would give a toss about us?
Some things are definitely wrong with the EU. It doesn’t mean leaving is the answer.
Maybe you are right, but if they are unable to reform then what would you suggest?
What might have focussed minds was a 'leave unless reform' or 'stay with reform' option on the referendum.Not leaving. They were willing to meet Cameron in areas of reform so to say that they won’t reform is nonsense. They may not have been willing at that moment in time to reform as quickly or as far as you would wanted but the logical, responsible and grownup thing to do would have been to remain and vote in competent MEP’s to lobby and change consensus. That’s democracy. Spitting your dummy out and running of into oblivion isn’t addressing the issue.
But some try to blame all of the older generation for what has happened. But the normal everyday person has had nothing to do with it. Ues a lot of them own a home that has gone up at a fast rate. But what benefit do most of them get? Most will be left to the younger generation when they die. But it isn't just the UK. Yes a lot of them got good final salary pensions. But I thought we were supposed to blame Gordon Brown for their demise.
Affordable housing? If our population hadn't exploded by many millions the problem wouldn't be anywhere near as bad as it is.
Affordable housing? If our population hadn't exploded by many millions the problem wouldn't be anywhere near as bad as it is
So the EU is absolutely perfect?
With no consensus on what leave actually meant. There should have been a second referendum of the back of a leave vote of leave but remain in the single market or the so called hard brexit.What might have focussed minds was a 'leave unless reform' or 'stay with reform' option on the referendum.
Of course Cameron in his wisdom decided the entire spectrum of opinion could be harnessed in a yes/no.
If the EU wasn't so intransigent that would be reasonable, but they resist reform to improve democracy, for the most part that's why I voted leave.
But Barnier refused to talk to Cameron just before the vote. And Barnier then informed everyone that there would not be the meeting Camerin said there would be on looking at changing a thing or two. It was their way or nothing.Some things are definitely wrong with the EU. It doesn’t mean leaving is the answer.
17.4 million people.
Yes, you can blame the red bus, right wing propaganda, Nigel Farage...
Don't you think though, if 17.4 million people vote for something, then maybe, just maybe something is wrong with the EU?
But Barnier refused to talk to Cameron just before the vote. And Barnier then informed everyone that there would not be the meeting Camerin said there would be on looking at changing a thing or two. It was their way or nothing.
Not leaving. They were willing to meet Cameron in areas of reform so to say that they won’t reform is nonsense. They may not have been willing at that moment in time to reform as quickly or as far as you would wanted but the logical, responsible and grownup thing to do would have been to remain and vote in competent MEP’s to lobby and change consensus. That’s democracy. Spitting your dummy out and running of into oblivion isn’t addressing the issue.
Cameron had just tried to get the changes he wantedNot leaving. They were willing to meet Cameron in areas of reform so to say that they won’t reform is nonsense. They may not have been willing at that moment in time to reform as quickly or as far as you would wanted but the logical, responsible and grownup thing to do would have been to remain and vote in competent MEP’s to lobby and change consensus. That’s democracy. Spitting your dummy out and running of into oblivion isn’t addressing the issue.
The EU has decimated our fishing industry. And they will hold onto the power they have over it for as long as they can.Fishermen not happy either Gove shares fishing deal 'disappointment'
17.4M. That's right, but not the majority. 48% voted to remain and then there was 23% who didn't bother at all.
Scary there are 17.4M racists and xenophobes in the UK.
But they refused to let us have what would help us just before the vote.No. Needs a lot of reform.
He tried to buy votes by saying if he won there would be a referendum.Cameron. The biggest prick of all. There was only a vote in the first place because he wanted to silence a handful of fools in his own party.
But they refused to let us have what would help us just before the vote.
The EU has decimated our fishing industry. And they will hold onto the power they have over it for as long as they can.
But Barnier refused to talk to Cameron just before the vote. And Barnier then informed everyone that there would not be the meeting Camerin said there would be on looking at changing a thing or two. It was their way or nothing.
Again, you might be right. I'm glad we are starting to have some consensus on here at least.
As I've said before, there are many reasons why people voted to leave and one of them is that they feel the EU is beyond reform. They might have offered something to Cameron, but in a lot of people's eyes that wasn't near enough. I think a lot of people who voted felt this would be the only opportunity they would ever have to make a change, they saw a chance and they took it. Even though many would disagree with that choice I don't think you can blame voters for taking that opportunity.
Maybe there should never have been a vote, but if even Mart is saying the EU isn't perfect then you know that some changes probably need to be made. The sad thing is throughout this, I have barely seen anyone blame the EU for the vote leave winning. At the end of the day, if they were doing good beyond reasonable doubt in the majority of areas common sense would have prevailed and remain would have won without question.
EU deal gives UK special status - PMWhat did we ask for? End of free movement? As regards benefit tourism, there is a lot of support for ending that. Stricter rules for staying longer than 3 months. These are up for debate.
Are you pretending you don't know what has happened to our fishing industry?How much of our fish is exported to the EU?
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