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[skybluetony176]

Jaguar Land Rover 'to cut 1,000 jobs' - live updates

For the benefit of Harry and Lloyd here’s the link for the Birmingham Mail article again that gives the JLR statement in full. Here’s the section where it talks about Brexit.


“As an industry in which investment is heavily reliant on forward planning, industry bodies have been lobbying extensively for greater clarity around a Brexit trade deal.

With JLR’s UK production facilities exporting around 75 per cent of its vehicles and importing many parts from the EU, this action is in part an effort to help mitigate potentially-costly tariffs, which couldsignificantly damage its bottom line.”

If you pair of morons are too stupid to press the link or read the section I’ve kindly copied and pasted for you then you’re beyond help.

 

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[skybluetony176]

Experts say Brexit is making things difficult whatever you say. If we leave the SM and CU we will have problems. There is uncertainty until we can make a deal that does away with frictions in the supply chain. Yes Dieselgate and the follow on is causing even more problems, but uncertainty remains a factor and was mentioned.

„There is no escaping the fact that being out of the customs union and single market will inevitably add barriers to trade, increase red tape and cost. Settling for “good” access to each other’s markets is not enough as it will only damage the UK’s competitiveness and reduce our ability to attract investment and the high quality jobs that go with it.

Brexit is finally being recognised as a highly complex and difficult negotiation which is why we urgently need a transitional arrangement which allows business to continue as normal until the UK’s new trade arrangement with the EU has been agreed and implemented.“

Whitewash it all you want and point the finger at the EU, but the experts at the Motor Manufacturing Society ( see above ) are also naming uncertainty through Brexit as a factor in the car industry. No surprise that Jaguar, or a spokesman, are quoted as mentioning Brexit as a factor. In this case not the main factor though.

Mini have the same concerns as JLR. This article is mainly about the Mini engine A Mini part's incredible journey shows how Brexit will hit the UK car industry

 

[skybluetony176]

So what do you think?

You must have an opinion as you have argued about it enough.

There you go. You’ve finally asked me the question rather than not read what I’ve been posting and assuming what I think.

I accept the JLR statement in FULL. Their concerns in ALL aspects of the statement are clearly warranted on all the points individual merits whether that be concerns over diesels or Brexit.

 

[skybluetony176]

Yes JLR said Brexit. They never explained why. And that is because the truth is there for you to read.

Now we’re getting somewhere. If you read the statement they did explain. It’s specifically to do with tariffs. I’ve just linked an article on Mini who has similar concerns. The article talks about the amount of times components (namely the engine whether fully assembled or component parts) have to cross the English Channel. Currently as EU members this happens Tariff free. The uncertainty that JLR talk about is what happens when we leave. Again it’s all in their statement.

 

[skybluetony176]

Those running JLR have not planned very well. But would they blame themselves or Brexit?

They have blamed themselves. That’s not to say brexit is irrelevant. It clearly is and JLR aren’t the only manufacturers to express the same concerns. Manufacturers outside of the car industry also.

 

[Grendel]

Your top reply is in reply to me saying to you “you haven’t read it have you” you go on to say “Also I don’t need to”.

Which doesn't mean I haven't Tony

 

[martcov]

Now we’re getting somewhere. If you read the statement they did explain. It’s specifically to do with tariffs. I’ve just linked an article on Mini who has similar concerns. The article talks about the amount of times components (namely the engine whether fully assembled or component parts) have to cross the English Channel. Currently as EU members this happens Tariff free. The uncertainty that JLR talk about is what happens when we leave. Again it’s all in their statement.

Exactly the same as the MMS... as I posted above.

 

[Grendel]

Exactly the same as the MMS... as I posted above.

I am surprised you have formed an Anschluss with a UKIP voter who passionately denies they are a racist party

 

[Astute]

Now we’re getting somewhere. If you read the statement they did explain. It’s specifically to do with tariffs. I’ve just linked an article on Mini who has similar concerns. The article talks about the amount of times components (namely the engine whether fully assembled or component parts) have to cross the English Channel. Currently as EU members this happens Tariff free. The uncertainty that JLR talk about is what happens when we leave. Again it’s all in their statement.

So the 1,000 job losses were to do with tariffs that we don't know about?

 

[skybluetony176]

Exactly the same as the MMS... as I posted above.

Ford also shares some of the same concerns Ford has given this stark warning about Brexit

 

[Astute]

They have blamed themselves. That’s not to say brexit is irrelevant. It clearly is and JLR aren’t the only manufacturers to express the same concerns. Manufacturers outside of the car industry also.

Concerns yes. But you don't get rid of 1,000 workers because of concerns.

It is a mixture of relying on diesel engines, PCP going wrong, tax going up on new diesel cars and the wonderful EU bringing in laws against diesel cars that have done the damage.

 

[Astute]

Ford also shares some of the same concerns Ford has given this stark warning about Brexit

So how many workers have they got rid of because of concerns?

 

[skybluetony176]

So the 1,000 job losses were to do with tariffs that we don't know about?

Never said that did I? Again with the putting words in mouths, bullshitting about what I’ve said doesn’t make you right. It just makes you wrong twice. I’ll say it again. I accept the JLR statement in full. That means ALL aspects. I’m not being selective here in what I believe from their statement. I’ve now linked articles to two other car manufacturers who have voiced the same concerns. JLR are not in isolation on this and unlike JLR the other manufacturers haven’t over committed to diesels. So the concerns are genuine and it would be idiotic to dismiss them.

 

[skybluetony176]

Concerns yes. But you don't get rid of 1,000 workers because of concerns.

It is a mixture of relying on diesel engines, PCP going wrong, tax going up on new diesel cars and the wonderful EU bringing in laws against diesel cars that have done the damage.

So how do you explain Ford and Mini having the same concerns if it’s only about JLR’s overcommitment to Diesel engines?

 

[Astute]

Never said that did I? Again with the putting words in mouths, bullshitting about what I’ve said doesn’t make you right. It just makes you wrong twice. I’ll say it again. I accept the JLR statement in full. That means ALL aspects. I’m not being selective here in what I believe from their statement. I’ve now linked articles to two other car manufacturers who have voiced the same concerns. JLR are not in isolation on this and unlike JLR the other manufacturers haven’t over committed to diesels. So the concerns are genuine and it would be idiotic to dismiss them.

Of course you accept what they said. They said Brexit. But the job losses were nothing to do with Brexit.

 

[Astute]

So how do you explain Ford and Mini having the same concerns if it’s only about JLR’s overcommitment to Diesel engines?

Ford and Mini 90% diesel?

You don't half make things up to prove a point.

 

[Grendel]

So how do you explain Ford and Mini having the same concerns if it’s only about JLR’s overcommitment to Diesel engines?

Because Tony the motor industry is over producing - demand is not meeting over production and the industry has been masking the issue. Brexit is of course an opportunity for uk based production is it not?

 

[skybluetony176]

Of course you accept what they said. They said Brexit. But the job losses were nothing to do with Brexit.

Says who? Grendull? Don’t make me laugh he hasn’t even read the statement, or maybe he has, he seems confused on that one. At least you’re admitting that JLR have mentioned Brexit in their statement even if you haven’t read or understood their concerns which is more than our resident JLR “executive” has done. I’ll give you that much.

Like I’ve said repeatedly. I accept the JLR statement in FULL. That does include the part about Diesel engines you know.

 

[Astute]

Because Tony the motor industry is over producing - demand is not meeting over production and the industry has been masking the issue. Brexit is of course an opportunity for uk based production is it not?

It certainly will be if the EU bring in tariffs on new cars. People will stop buying German cars.

 

[Grendel]

Says who? Grendull? Don’t make me laugh he hasn’t even read the statement, or maybe he has, he seems confused on that one. At least you’re admitting that JLR have mentioned Brexit in their statement even if you haven’t read or understood their concerns which is more than our resident JLR “executive” has done. I’ll give you that much.

Like I’ve said repeatedly. I accept the JLR statement in FULL. That does include the part about Diesel engines you know.

Where am I confused - show where I said I haven’t read it Tony? Soon I’ll be bringing up your dark racist UKIP days if you don’t behave yourself and stop lying.

 

[Astute]

Says who? Grendull? Don’t make me laugh he hasn’t even read the statement, or maybe he has, he seems confused on that one. At least you’re admitting that JLR have mentioned Brexit in their statement even if you haven’t read or understood their concerns which is more than our resident JLR “executive” has done. I’ll give you that much.

Like I’ve said repeatedly. I accept the JLR statement in FULL. That does include the part about Diesel engines you know.

So how about answering for once.

Do you think that the job losses were because of Brexit and what might happen?

 

[skybluetony176]

Ford and Mini 90% diesel?

You don't half make things up to prove a point.

Does that make them overcommitted? I’ll bow to your superior knowledge.

You didn’t answer why they have the same concerns though surrounding tariffs.

 

[martcov]

I am surprised you have formed an Anschluss with a UKIP voter who passionately denies they are a racist party

Are the SMMT ( got it right this time) UKIP voters? Or are they experts in motor manufacturing that see the problems of parts supply and tariffs that you don’t see? Or want to admit to?

 

[skybluetony176]

So how about answering for once.

Do you think that the job losses were because of Brexit and what might happen?

I’ll answer again shall I. I accept ALL the JLR statement in full. That means I accept that job losses have been made for ALL the reasons in their statement.

 

[Grendel]

Are the SMMT ( got it right this time) UKIP voters? Or are they experts in motor manufacturing that see the problems of parts supply and tariffs that you don’t see? Or want to admit to?

The SMMT have similarly failed in their representation to government to make the diesel argument. They are a joke.

I’ve attended meetings in behalf of a motor manufacture which I suspect you have not.

 

[Grendel]

I’ll answer again shall I. I accept ALL the JLR statement in full. That means I accept that job losses have been made for ALL the reasons in their statement.

So elvis is on the moon then and Russia never have produced nerve agents under Putin?

 

[Grendel]

I’ll answer again shall I. I accept ALL the JLR statement in full. That means I accept that job losses have been made for ALL the reasons in their statement.

He is asking you to put your individual interpretation on the statement Tony. What’s your actual opinion based on the facts. Your own opinion?

 

[martcov]

I’ll answer again shall I. I accept ALL the JLR statement in full. That means I accept that job losses have been made for ALL the reasons in their statement.

WTO means 10% tax on cars and 4,5% on parts. If that happens, we are all losers. Strange that people in the car industry voted leave.

Not to mention possible transit delays on so-called „just in time“ deliveries.

 

[skybluetony176]

Where am I confused - show where I said I haven’t read it Tony? Soon I’ll be bringing up your dark racist UKIP days if you don’t behave yourself and stop lying.

I voted UKIP once and once only in a MEP election ahead of David Cameron’s negotiations with the EU which were ahead of the referendum. I didn’t vote as an endorsement of their policies or of their members. I voted UKIP on this one occasion because I’m not blind to what the EU is and I knew that the only way they’d take the negotiations seriously is if they thought that there was a real chance of us voting leave. So I voted UKIP as my vote was the only voice I had to say take this seriously. You know all this though as I’ve told you numerous times.

Now the irony here is that you’re accusing me of lying for just quoting you. So if there’s lies there they’re yours. On top of that you threaten to punish me by lying about my dark racist UKIP days that you know don’t exist.

You’re a real piece of work.

 

[martcov]

The SMMT have similarly failed in their representation to government to make the diesel argument. They are a joke.

I’ve attended meetings in behalf of a motor manufacture which I suspect you have not.

And the problem of parts supply caused by Brexit if we leave the SM? Does the uncertainty have any effect on planning?

 

[Astute]

I’ll answer again shall I. I accept ALL the JLR statement in full. That means I accept that job losses have been made for ALL the reasons in their statement.

So are you saying that Brexit caused job losses?

 

[Astute]

I voted UKIP once and once only in a MEP election ahead of David Cameron’s negotiations with the EU which were ahead of the referendum. I didn’t vote as an endorsement of their policies or of their members. I voted UKIP on this one occasion because I’m not blind to what the EU is and I knew that the only way they’d take the negotiations seriously is if they thought that there was a real chance of us voting leave. So I voted UKIP as my vote was the only voice I had to say take this seriously. You know all this though as I’ve told you numerous times.

Now the irony here is that you’re accusing me of lying for just quoting you. So if there’s lies there they’re yours. On top of that you threaten to punish me by lying about my dark racist UKIP days that you know don’t exist.

You’re a real piece of work.

You fucking racist.

 

[Grendel]

Tony do you stand by every statement you make on this?

Imposter on GMK

 

[Astute]

And the problem of parts supply caused by Brexit if we leave the SM? Does the uncertainty have any effect on planning?

Nobody is sacking people because of it though.

Unless you like to blame Brexit on everything.

 

[Astute]

Tony do you stand by every statement you make on this?

Imposter on GMK

No. He blames them on Brexit