Astute
Well-Known Member
So why do 2 out of 3 of them want us to stay in the EU?
So why do 2 out of 3 of them want us to stay in the EU?Tories have the single biggest representation in the Lords. Coupled with the DUP, UUP and even UKIP members, then you have to factor in pro brexit labour peers, even cross benchers and independents must have serious numbers of leavers given (as we’re often reminded) over half the population voted leave. You wouldn’t think it would be an issue to get it passed given Lib Dem’s only has 98 members in comparison. Maybe just maybe these people are intelligent and connected enough to understand that the government with it’s brexit vision are trying to sell a bad deal.
James Dyson is a Brexiteer and campaigned for it. He also seems to favour no deal of late.
So show us how you know that landowners will be given money for owning land. Farming subsidies are given by the EU to keep prices for food high. We are not self sufficient. So why would we pay farmers not to grow?
Britain’s wealthiest people raking in millions in agricultural subsidies
So why do 2 out of 3 of them want us to stay in the EU?
Give your head a shake.It tells you in the opening paragraph of the article that you yourself have linked.
“Britain’s wealthiest landowners are raking in millions of pounds of taxpayers money through the agricultural subsidy system, it is revealed today.”
Seriously. Do you not read anything ever?
Give your head a shake.
So all the money goes to farmers? No. Not at all. They get paid by the acre. Just for owning or renting it. Or are you saying that the National Trust are the biggest farmers in the UK?
Better than for ever under the EU. We can put a plan together where money goes where it is needed and not for the rich for doing nothing but owning land.According to Gove we’re going to keep paying farming subsidies when we leave at the current EU rates until 2022 at least.
Gove sets out post-Brexit farm funding
You always call it farming subsidies. So now it isn't farming subsidies?Give your own head a shake. I’ve never said it does go to the farmers, I’ve repeatedly said land owner. The whole point I’ve been making is that it goes to the land owners, such as James Dyson. In some cases the land owner is also the farmer but in other cases the farmer is a tenant and the money goes to the land owner, such as James Dyson.
You always call it farming subsidies. So now it isn't farming subsidies?
That’s yet to be seen but I admire your optimism if nothing else. A bit like the £350M a week to the NHS.Better than for ever under the EU. We can put a plan together where money goes where it is needed and not for the rich for doing nothing but owning land.
No. You always call it farming subsidies. The farming subsidies are a part of the CAP.That’s because it is, it’s to do with the common agricultural policy. It’s not the same as saying it goes to farmers. Especially when you keep making the point that it goes to the land owners at the same time. Jesus, did you think I thought James Dyson spends all day sat on a tractor or something?
No. You always call it farming subsidies. The farming subsidies are a part of the CAP.
Of course I know what the acronym CAP stands for. Why should do the whole thing?Mmm? CAP? By any chance does that stand for the Common Agricultural Policy? You know, like I just told you in the very post you quoted saying NO like I’ve got it wrong? It does doesn’t it? It’s also where James Dyson gets paid from. Billionaire Brexit backer Sir James Dyson was the biggest private recipient of EU farm subsidies last year
Of course I know what the acronym CAP stands for. Why should do the whole thing?
So back to Dyson who I said was the largest single private payment. But explain like I also said earlier how the largest payment from the CAP was to the National Trust if it is a farmers payment like you said.
Exactly.Fucking hell. Seriously?
Because like Dyson they are the land owner. The farmer is the tenant and it’s the landowner not farmer (unless the farmer is also the land owner) who gets the payment Farms to let
About £30 a load? Speculation?
About £30 a load? Speculation?
Nearly as bad as you saying it was a farmers premium when you knew the money went to the landowners.
Yet another insult by you when you have shown to be wrong. Well done. You argued for ages that the money went to the farmers and not the rich landowners like I said.It’s a farming subsidy and I said in the very first post I made on the subject that it goes to the land owner you thick prick.
Of course there wasn't a plan. Cameron bought the votes not considering what would happen if we voted leave. Many politicians don't care what they say as long as they stay in power.It's almost like there is and never has been a plan in place, oh wait...
Things not looking good in Italy :shy:
Italy's next government is Europe's next crisis - CNN
This is what some of us were saying. The Euro makes Germany rich and others suffer as they are all tied together on the same currency. And not enough help reaches the EU countries in the South of Europe.
Should Europe be scared of Italy's populists?
The problem as some of us have stated before is those running the show are not interested in reform. Their only interest seems to be in making the EU bigger. The populist vote is growing. And because many are suffering through the EU the populist vote isn't going in the direction of the EU.
The problem is that the EU will be more interested in punishing us for having the balls to leave than working out why votes are going against them in all countries and doing something about it. And by the time the votes against them are enough to cause them a problem it is too late to do anything about it.
And it wouldn't surprise me if their answer to the problem is to punish us even more to show the other countries what happens when you leave.
If it can go wrong in Italy when they are the third largest economy that gets billions invested each year from the EU it can happen anywhere.
If only you could look at the situation without your pro EU goggles on.Things are not looking good in countries where populists are taking power. The USA is experiencing a massive attack on it’s democracy from a group of liars and an „influence for sale“ swamp. Nazis hacking into Austria. The government taking power from the judiciary in Poland. Urban crushing the press in Hungary. And now people like Farage gleefully hoping for a Brexit Style mess in Italy.
Brexiteers hoping that other countries suffer the uncertainty and polarisation that the UK is suffering.
The UK is punishing itself and you blame the EU.
How sick is that? I have just been at the scene of the battle of nations 1813 in Leipzig. People of 22 Eurpean sovereign nation states murdered each other. The biggest war memorial in Europe is dedicated to their remembrance. Most of those Nations now live in peace in the EU. Which rightminded person would wish a return to centuries of European wars caused by a system of selfish Nation States?
Yes Italy does have problems that have gone on for a very long time.A big gripe for some Italians is illegal migration and refugees arriving from Africa and other EU countries not being willing to share the burden of this migration.
I agree countries like the UK should have been willing to do more to help but when you have some sounding off about legal migration from within the EU, it doesn't look likely.
Also Cinque Stelle are incompetent and will collapse; La Lega Nord are basically fascists who were once in an alliance with the odious UKIP, which says it all UKIP's true colours. As I've said before, Italy's problems are very much down to decades if not centuries of corruption that is deeply engrained into society.
Yes the UK is 1/5 of the whole amount of the EU trade. We can't do anything yet because of EU rules. But once we have left we will be able to make a deal.
All of which has zero to do with the points I’ve raised. I’m not even sure Neil Kinnock is a member of the House of Lords is he? Land owners who receive farming subsidies will still receive subsidies post brexit, they’ll just receive them from the U.K. not the EU. You also fail to mention that many of those landowners in the Lords also back brexit.
So show us how you know that landowners will be given money for owning land. Farming subsidies are given by the EU to keep prices for food high. We are not self sufficient. So why would we pay farmers not to grow?
Britain’s wealthiest people raking in millions in agricultural subsidies
It tells you in the opening paragraph of the article that you yourself have linked.
“Britain’s wealthiest landowners are raking in millions of pounds of taxpayers money through the agricultural subsidy system, it is revealed today.”
Seriously. Do you not read anything ever?
Give your own head a shake. I’ve never said it does go to the farmers, I’ve repeatedly said land owner. The whole point I’ve been making is that it goes to the land owners, such as James Dyson. In some cases the land owner is also the farmer but in other cases the farmer is a tenant and the money goes to the land owner, such as James Dyson.
You always call it farming subsidies. So now it isn't farming subsidies?
That’s because it is, it’s to do with the Common Agricultural Policy. It’s not the same as saying it goes to farmers. Especially when you keep making the point that it goes to the land owners at the same time. Jesus, did you think I thought James Dyson spends all day sat on a tractor or something?
No. You always call it farming subsidies. The farming subsidies are a part of the CAP.
Mmm? CAP? By any chance does that stand for the Common Agricultural Policy? You know, like I just told you in the very post you quoted saying NO like I’ve got it wrong? It does doesn’t it? It’s also where James Dyson gets paid from. Billionaire Brexit backer Sir James Dyson was the biggest private recipient of EU farm subsidies last year
Of course I know what the acronym CAP stands for. Why should do the whole thing?
So back to Dyson who I said was the largest single private payment. But explain like I also said earlier how the largest payment from the CAP was to the National Trust if it is a farmers payment like you said.
Fucking hell. Seriously?
Because like Dyson they are the land owner. The farmer is the tenant and it’s the landowner not farmer (unless the farmer is also the land owner) who gets the payment Farms to let
Yet another insult by you when you have shown to be wrong. Well done. You argued for ages that the money went to the farmers and not the rich landowners like I said.
So are you KeyboardWarriorTony now?
Yes the UK is 1/5 of the whole amount of the EU trade. We can't do anything yet because of EU rules. But once we have left we will be able to make a deal.
Yes, we could increase the 3% share of NZ exports to us and maybe send things 11500 miles to them. I think staying in the EU who are doing a deal with NZ anyway sounds like a much better bet.
3% of their exports come to the uk according to the article. It’s 11500 miles away. Good, but relatively insignificant.
Yes Italy does have problems that have gone on for a very long time.
But the migration problem is a new one. It is exasperating the original problems. They are now stranded in Greece and Italy. Most seem to want to go to Germany and Sweden. But after the problems it created for Merkel last time they didn't want it to happen again. France is refusing to take any. Their reply was to close the borders. The EU isn't in unity like many would love you to believe. The reason they are happy for borders to be closed is they would then have the freedom to travel to any EU country on mainland EU.
And everyone knows you were saying that it was a payment made to farmers Mr Keyboardwarrior.My FIRST post on the subject
Your reply.
Me pointing out the obvious to you from your own source
The first time I point out to you that I've said it's the land owner that receives the subsidy
You missing the point again and making out I'm saying something I didn't
Me pointing out that they are
You thinking that they come from something other that Common Agricultural Policy having not realised that CAP is an acronym for Common Agricultural Policy
Me pointing that out to you
You now pretending that you did know what CAP stands for despite previously saying that subsidies come from CAP not the Common Agricultural Policy. You then bring the National Trust into it again without realising that they are one of the biggest farming land lords in the country thus having no understanding of why they're one of the biggest recipients of Farming subsidies from CAP, that's an acronym for the Common Agricultural Policy by the way
You still not understanding it I give you a link to the NT's lists of farms that they are the land owners of that they let out
And then you post this nonsense
The last bit is laughable given you go by the name of astute. Do you actually know what astute means? I'll give you a clue. It's the opposite of what you've just demonstrated above.
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