Yes probably option 1. I agree but is that really the right option. It hasn’t helped Greece anyway and they didn’t even vote for it.
I don’t want Italian bond markets and their economy to crash but sadly the position they are in means it’s very possible. That wasn’t me who put them in that position it was the great EU as Italy as stuck in a Currency just like Greece it never should of joined.
Brexit was a once in a lifetime vote. We are a leaflet to every household at the cost of 9m quid telling us that the decision will be implemented.
We had a vote and brexit won. Soros as you admitted wouldn’t have another referendum if remain won so that’s all you need to know about him. Sore loser.
I’m not saying brexit solves everything and currently it looks like being shafted but that isn’t down to brexit voters that’s down to our government. The majority of the cabinet are remain, they don’t even believe in brexit.
From our perspective is it best to hope that Italy leaves / gets thrown out?
Martcov still seeing right wing people.....all the time.
Anyone who thinks George Soros is the beacon of democratic values is fucking nuts.
On the continued point about the € I have maintained for a long time that one currency cannot manage so many micro-economies within it, all with differing fiscal/monetary aims. The answer to that isn't to increase the EU's powers to ensure everyone has to tow the party line otherwise we may as well fuck the whole thing off and go live in the sea.
How come we can govern regional differences with a single currency for 4 countries in the UK? The answer is a unified fiscal and financial system. Which will come to the Eurozone eventually. The alternative would be 20 odd competing currencies and regular devaluation of the weak currencies taking away the value of savings, creating inflation and increasing costs through currency trading. Not many takers for that scenario.
Because they're 4 countries that have shared a common culture and law for hundreds of years, places that have broadly similar industries, climates and resources, not to mention a common language. (Granted there are the native languages but these are minority languages).
Not a group of 27 countries thrown together on the basis of a federalist ideal after being independent of each other for hundreds of years, all with different industry, some different climates and different natural resources.
Not sure do mate, a heavy dose of relish on top there.Well...maybe the latest shenanigans shows things for what they truly are. A day after I read that the MartCov lauded German coalition is in some difficulty over...wait for it...immigration policy (Reuters), than they post the below. Apparently Germany & France have agreed a budget for the Eurozone. The details are to be "worked out" with the other EZ members. If they can make it work it might well be good for the EU...but I have my doubts.
Mind you...worked out = negotiated if you ask Mart & one or two others as far as the EU goes, no doubt...or, bullying & cajoling if you ask myself & one or two others.
Italy have already stuck two fingers up to the migration policy. It's all building up a head of steam & getting interesting. I do hope they can hold it all together though.
"Merkel, Macron back euro zone budget in 'new chapter' for bloc" - Merkel, Macron back euro zone budget in 'new chapter' for bloc
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Anyone who thinks George Soros is the beacon of democratic values is fucking nuts.
On the continued point about the € I have maintained for a long time that one currency cannot manage so many micro-economies within it, all with differing fiscal/monetary aims. The answer to that isn't to increase the EU's powers to ensure everyone has to tow the party line otherwise we may as well fuck the whole thing off and go live in the sea.
Absolutely, my hope is the EU puppeteers see the need to reform for the better rather than ploughing ahead with the current agenda(s) of what seems (in this case at least) to be the agenda of 1 or 2. The UK needs the EU to be functional at least.Not sure do mate, a heavy dose of relish on top there.
The demise of the EU suits who exactly ,USA, Russia?
And today...
"We see a strong need to significantly reduce secondary movements... by preventing unlawful crossing of internal borders between Member States by irregular migrants and asylum seekers and by ensuring swift readmissions by the competent Member State," said a draft of the statement for Sunday's meeting.
Asylum seekers already do not have the right to travel freely within the EU while their applications are being processed. But such "secondary movements" are difficult to stop in the border-free Schengen zone, and have been widespread since immigration to Europe peaked in 2015, when more than a million people arrived from the Middle East and Africa
Does this indicate some sympathy in the EU for Farage & co's original much maligned stance?
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Paint him in a good light? Not especially...I like passionate straight talkers. He has turned out to be something of a double-twister in some respects.Nah, not really. Farage seemed to have an issue with legal migration and legal migrants living next door Farage attacked over Romanians 'slur'
He also liked to claim that British people felt uncomfortable hearing other langauges spoken
Nigel Farage: parts of Britain are 'like a foreign land'
I suppose this is why most Britons are multilingual and never speak English when abroad. You also don't get British communities in places like Spain as the British are so aware of how dreadful that can be.
Not like you to try and paint him in a good light though, eh.
If anything it's certain countries trying to avoid taking on their share of migrants from countries where they land; Britain is very much included in those which have turned their backs on the problem.
Doesn't read like that to me. Sounds more like the stance taken by many of Farage's critics. That the rules we already have are sufficient they just aren't enforced correctly.Does this indicate some sympathy in the EU for Farage & co's original much maligned stance?
And today...
"We see a strong need to significantly reduce secondary movements... by preventing unlawful crossing of internal borders between Member States by irregular migrants and asylum seekers and by ensuring swift readmissions by the competent Member State," said a draft of the statement for Sunday's meeting.
Asylum seekers already do not have the right to travel freely within the EU while their applications are being processed. But such "secondary movements" are difficult to stop in the border-free Schengen zone, and have been widespread since immigration to Europe peaked in 2015, when more than a million people arrived from the Middle East and Africa
Does this indicate some sympathy in the EU for Farage & co's original much maligned stance?
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Paint him in a good light? Not especially...I like passionate straight talkers. He has turned out to be something of a double-twister in some respects.
I can understand why some, having lost work, quality of life & sometimes even livelihood because their trade has been devalued, sympathised with his stance...I sympathised with their argument too.
That effect was encouraged by what amounts to a Government polcy to let businesses cut pay levels by employing migrant workers who also understandably wanted to enter the country.
I do own up to playing devil's advocate with some arguments...coz nothing is really absolutely clear cut.
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Absolutely, my hope is the EU puppeteers see the need to reform for the better rather than ploughing ahead with the current agenda(s) of what seems (in this case at least) to be the agenda of 1 or 2. The UK needs the EU to be functional at least.
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There is a problem with people working cash in hand for less than minimum wage which hasn't been dealt with effectively.Did the government allow businesses to ignore the minimum wage?
There is a problem with people working cash in hand for less than minimum wage which hasn't been dealt with effectively.
The bigger issue relating to freedom of movement is that there is now a workforce available to employers, largely from Eastern Europe, who will work long hours for low wages in poor conditions. They are jobs that with the current pay and conditions Brits wouldn't take. The theory goes that if that workforce wasn't available then better pay and conditions would have to be offered in order to fill the roles.
The reason Eastern Europeans will do those jobs for such little return is down to the imbalance in the economies across Europe, especially between west and east. They will put up with the long hours and poor conditions because the small amount, in UK terms, they send home is a significant amount for those they've left behind.
That is the theory, but it is not always true. Wages are growing in Eastern Europe so that will not last forever. Even here in Germany the fruit farmers are complaining that it is getting harder to find fruit pickers as, although they now have to get 9,00 € per hour, they prefer to stay at home as the difference is no longer so great.
My best worker is Estonian and he comes for 2 or 3 months a year. He gets more than my other workers. In this case it isn’t the money for me, it is that he works with more flexibility and knows what he is doing.
But he says Estonia is more expensive for many things than Germany. He would also get a job there tomorrow, but by working long hours in a short time with me, he gets more free time. He has his own firm and can work when he wants. He doesn’t live in Germany and so is not a migrant. I couldn’t find a German to work part time or a German company to be as flexible as he is.
That was really obvious. There are huge cargo flying backwards and forwards between UK, Hamburg and Toulouse. How‘s that going to work if they have to be checked in and out in the UK because of regulations and tariffs? It can’t work as the planes are being assembled in different countries as one process. There are ex pats working here in Hamburg. How will they be affected if they become third country workers? Did Brexit voters even consider multi national EU projects when voting? Or were they fired up against Juncker’s drinking habits and Merkel jackbooting over poor little Greece? Or was it Arabs being invited to leave Arabia and settle in the EU?
It’s threatening to move production to China you clown. It’s already cut production and reduced workforce in France and germany and is only in the uk as we have huge grants to set up and all this is is another attempt to get more grants.
It’s threatening to move production to China you clown. It’s already cut production and reduced workforce in France and germany and is only in the uk as we have huge grants to set up and all this is is another attempt to get more grants.
It may all be a moot point as the 380 orderbook has been looking suspect for a couple of years now .
Think I read some airlines are already cannibalising planes that are barely ten years old .
They could be empty words you know? Costs a lot of money to upsticks & move to China or whereverPffft...we buy their cars, eat French cheese and drink Italian wine, they'll all soon be bending over to keep selling to us. As our esteemed Brexiteer leaders told us, we can do individuals deals with each of these countries and pick and choose...oh....
That was really obvious. There are huge cargo flying backwards and forwards between UK, Hamburg and Toulouse. How‘s that going to work if they have to be checked in and out in the UK because of regulations and tariffs? It can’t work as the planes are being assembled in different countries as one process.
Like Concorde and Jaguar you mean, both built long before Britain joined the Common Market?
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