You listen in again to the rhetoric this week from the EU negotiators and its plain to hear that they will do almost anything to scupper any deal. There is no escape from their crooked club, it's designed so no one is allowed to leave and their actions send messages to other countries fed up of their bureaucratic bollox that they are in forever. I can see a no deal and chaos and it's what they want !
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SIR ERNIE
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Suggest you float that wonderful idea with the beleaguered people of Greece and Italy or the ever increasing number of your fellow Germans who despise the woman.
History will not look kindly on Merkel.
Astute
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Tax dodging deals at best whichever way you try to twist it. People in the EU want it all investigating. But strangely enough once he said he would stand down in 4 years it was all swept under the table.
Then as usual you will say that you never defend Juncker. Here is enough evidence to show that to be an untruth.
Depending on viewpoint really .
On a humanitarian level it's laudible.
On a practical level highly Niave with consequences.
Grendel
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Not interested? Shows you for the hypocrite you are
Whataboutery. Crap tactic. Not interested in him. I am angry at the traitors and scumbags in the leave campaign. Juncker was at least acting in the perceived interest of his country by doing tax deals. Whose interest were Banks, Wigmore and Ashcroft acting in? Whose interest was Farage acting in when he said leave had lost on the night (22:00) knowing that the private polling had shown that they had won? Very helpful for hedge funds who wanted to speculate on the currency falling. Farage‘s comments sent the rates in the wrong direction only for people to cash in having bought and sold on the real information.
Astute
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Crap tactic?
Somebody is in favour of Brexit. He has dodged a bit of tax. He is more guilty than the person who set up untold billions of tax dodges. Because the one who set up the untold billions of tax dodges has done nothing wrong and should be allowed to continue to be in charge of the EU.
Of course in the world of Mart of Germany that is.
No. It shows that you have been brainwashed to automatically say „whatabout“ whoever. Next as the scum continue to be exposed you will cry „witchhunt“.
Totally predictable.
The more important question is how is Brexit helping the people it is supposed to help? It is maybe helping Rees Mogg, Farage, Banks, Ashcroft, Putin andTrump, but what about the British working class? Is their future looking brighter ( factually as opposed to people like Ashcroft saying it is )?
What does the manufacturing industry think? The hauliers? HMRC? The ports?
Who cares about blue passports from France? The economy is more important than taking back things we never lost.
Even leavers have changed their tune from global Britain ( except the Belize based tax dodging Lord ), to „it was never about the economy. What then? A patriotic duty to take a hit for an indeterminable length of years?
Still we get out of the refugee problem. We have our „most“ and fxxk them..
The Germans largely look after the Germans, the main motive would have been to sift through the masses for the cream of skills to help their aging workforce and then try and pass on the unskilled to the rest of the EU !
Refugee problem my arse !! .......you mean the ' economic migrant ' crisis as all those poor beleaguered people make their way to Europe from Morocco, Tunisia, Senegal etc etc
No, Ashcroft is a career tax dodger and title collector. He is scum of the highest order and under investigation. He had to hide in the loo to avoid questions from a reporter about the Panama papers. I hope he goes down for his tax evasion, but he is too well connected for that. All you can answer is a defence of someone who would laugh at you being dumb enough to pay UK tax. Not even lower no questions asked Malta tax.
I cannot understand your „whataboutery“ and defence of known scum. Why?
Astute
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I think you are the one who has been brainwashed. You have spent most of your life living in Germany. You think like a German. Juncker is great whatever he does or has done in the past. There is no bias towards Germany. If you are not in the EU you will crash and burn. The UK is going to become a 3rd world area.
Yeah yeah Mart. We have heard you. You are even in denial about Juncker when everyone knows the truth.
Grendel
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What’s incredibly is your arrogance and assumption everyone is led up the garden path and duped as they didn’t vote your way.
The only oerson brainwashed is you.
The irony is you lost these people will fringe influence but by your own admission does not care that a man like Tusk given his appalling treatment of working people on Poland is allowed anywhere near power.
Still that’s the Eu approach all over. Who gives a crap about anyone as long as you are doing fine - disgusting
No, I mean the ones fleeing heaps of rubble and murderous soldiers of many different armies.
Astute
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So how many billions did Juncker help to keep away from the taxman?
Oh it doesn't matter. Lets just look at those near the bottom of the ladder of tax evasion and not at the very top like Juncker as he likes Brexit.
No, it is ridiculous to keep saying „look over there“ as the facts behind prominent leavers and their campaign come out.
Surprised at your concern for EU citizens, but not our duped British citizens. FFS they have written a book explaining how they took the piss out of voters. Bragging about lying and leading people up the garden path. And all you can do is go on about Tusk, and Astute about Juncker.
The global Britain story has been replaced by „Brexit was never about the economy“. Don’t you listen to the leavers anymore? Or are you in the BoJo „fxxk business“ camp? Surprising as you are in the manufacturing business.
What do your colleagues in the motor industry think?
Brexit is a home made problem. But you won’t admit it.
Grendel
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Donald Tusk removed 150 billion pounds of workers pensions just so it could meet the criteria for selection to the EU
A grubby little man in a grubby institution
Jesus fxxking wept! I am not interested in fxxking Juncker!
We’ve been through that.
Are you saying being a UK tax dodger is just dandy if you are anti EU?
The guy, Ashcroft, is a cxxt. Just admit it and stop coming the proverbial...
Astute
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So who is to blame for the very serious problem of racism that is growing throughout the EU?
Must be Brexit.
Astute
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Yes you are not interested in the bloke who is in charge of your beloved EU that helped people evade billions of tax. But you want to hang someone who dodged a very minute bit of this total because he is in favour of Brexit.
So why is it OK and not a problem for someone to set up tax dodges but a major crime to use it?
Astute
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I am interested in the scum that started off a massive tax dodge when PM of a little country that became very very rich in just a couple of years. The same con artist that runs the EU. The same con artist that is trying his best to stop us from leaving and doesn't care about residents from any country as long as he gets what he wants.
Brexit is a symptom, not the cause. Social media manipulation plays a part.
Ask Arron Banks or Cambridge Analytica.
It is so easy to „publish“ and manipulate without recourse and for political ends.
Bannon and others have created news sources that didn’t exist before. Radio „Free Europe“ and such like were the propaganda stations in the Cold War. In comparison to the propaganda of today they almost irrelevant.
Now you can publish anything about, say, Juncker.. true or false ( e.g. you believed that Juncker is the president of the EU). Unelected? He was elected, but the House of Lords wasn’t. Doesn’t matter Farage and co say that Juncker wasn‘t elected in virtually every interview. People like you honestly believe that and ignore the Lords. Unless the Lords tries to hold the government to account over the Brexit process, then they become „enemies of the people“.
Yes. Great. He has nothing to do with our Brexit vote. So why do you keep deflecting to a completely different subject?
Astute
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So who was Juncker elected by? Yes those others with their snouts in the trough. Those with pensions that cost billions. The same pensions that they get in not many years that the working man could never get in a lifetime.
Yet he rules all of our lives. The master of tax dodges. What a fucking scam.
Grendel
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Those people who lied about:
3 million immediately unemployed
An emergency austerity budget
Wars in Europe
The end of western civilisation
Immediate NHS spending cuts
Every family immediately £4,300 worse off
Yes wankers aren’t they?
Astute
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Nothing to do with our Brexit vote.
How about a few days before the Brexit vote when he said to the world that there wasn't a meeting with Cameron about seeing if there was a way of slowing down the massive influx of people to the UK and that there would never be a meeting about it?
He made sure that it went from a comfortable remain vote to nearly 2m more people voting to leave than stay.
But yes as usual just twist it your way.
Grendel
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The House of Lords is an unrepresentative body and pretty much sticks to the party line. The fact you hold that pathetic bunch of dinasaurs with any degree of credibility says it all.
Your obsession about the Eu being democratic is laughable. Putin and Magwabwe were elected. Sepp Blatter was elected. Fifa actually is similar to the Eu. Grubby back room deals to achieve power while ordinary people have no say at all.
SkyblueBazza
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How can someone so pro-EU not be interested in Polish workers' plight given the EU is about doing good for all EU citizens?
As someone else has already said - you are an utter hypocrite!!!
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Astute
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He only seems to be interested in what is best for his homeland Germany. When we leave they will have to either pay billions more in each year or there will be massive cuts. And he is afraid about what will happen with the trade deficit between us and Germany. Their car makers are worried but can't say anything against the EU as they have had all the favours so far.
You don’t get it do you? Ashcroft is British and is ripping us off and taking people like you who pay UK tax for a ride. But you let him off and go on about a foreign county. No, I don’t like Juncker‘s history, but we are talking about the British scum who don’t pay the full tax on their millions and led people up the garden path in order to keep the pesky EU away from their hidden money. Fara
Who is talking about Polish workers?
We are on a Brexit thread.
There are over 700 MEPs. How much did Juncker bribe them? How many European Council members, all elected in their home countries, did he do grubby deals with? Which extreme right group do the conservatives belong to in the European Parliament? Birds of a feather....
How do you compare a murky organisation such as FIFa with a relatively transparent organisation such as The EU?
Election results are public knowledge.
The pathetic bunch of dinosaurs do include some decent people, but as I have said there is something wrong when tax dodging Belize based and Panama Papers tax evading scum can go for years without paying UK tax and still vote on British laws. Pity you defend the scum and not the decent ones.
Are you now slagging democracy by mentioning Mgabwe and Putin as the fault of democracy? If so, add Trump to your list.
Decrying democracy and defending right wing liars and tricksters puts you even further into the right wing corner. Any news on Tommy Robinson whilst you are there?
Grendel
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Poland I believe is in the EU and I believe Ashcroft and his tax avoidance has zero to do with Brexit.
Still laughing at your view on the House of Lords to be honest. You did describe them in very favourable terms a while ago.
3 Billion extra Maximum . This year’s German budget 343 billion. Means less than1 %.
Anyway Britain will still be paying in during the transition period and maybe afterwards. Not a priority.
Ashcroft is a major leaver spouting out the now outdated Brexit paroles on his Twitter account. Back in the Brexit debate today with his tax avoidance tip to British companies to move an office to low tax no questions asked Malta and therefore keep a presence in the EU whilst avoiding UK tax. A loss for the British tax collector.
The constant flow of information about the leave side of the referendum certainly has more to do with Brexit than Tusk.