The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (254 Viewers)

[SkyblueBazza]

Not yet = up to 3 years.

"The announcement on Wednesday by the Department of Environment, Foodand Rural Affairs (Defra) will now allow official market access negotiations to begin – a process which typically takes about three years."

Yeah well we could have been another 20 had we left it to our EU colleagues...we will never know

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[SkyblueBazza]

Obviously someone wants them otherwise there wouldn’t be a proposal. Kurz wants to strengthen the exterior border so as not to threaten Schengen. He doesn’t want the migrants sent back to his country. Which is the Germans‘ plan to keep the centers away from being prisons. At the end there will be a fudge to save face. The SPD say something has to be done, but forced detention was rejected by them in 2015. Nobody wants to lose votes to AfD.

You are hilarious at times.
Everyone (EU countries as-in) wants them...it's just that they want them in the furthest EU country away from their own or in Africa!

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[SkyblueBazza]

Britain’s biggest carmaker, Jaguar Land Rover, warned that a hard Brexit would cost £1.2bn a year in trade tariffs and make it unprofitable to remain in the UK.

Ralf Speth, JLR chief executive, spoke out ahead of a key meeting on Friday as Theresa May tries to finalise her plans for the UK’s future relationship with the EU.

As well as the cost of trading under World Trade Organisation rules, Mr Speth said:

• JLR needs certainty before investing £80bn over five years, including into new and electric cars;
• The company has already spent £10m on Brexit contingency plans;
• JLR is struggling to attract international talent to UK.

“I don’t want to threaten anybody, but we have to make transparent the implications of the move. We want to stay in the UK. Jaguar Land Rover’s heart and soul is in the UK,” said Mr Speth.

Yeah...doesn't want to threaten anybody. Perhaps he should've kept schtum then?

Plus, JLR are right to hold off...these are uncertain times. The govt is well aware of that - but there is a lot more at stake than JLR

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[SkyblueBazza]

More scare tactics ;-) It will be alright in the end... of course...

You are absolutely right for once.
Too much money in it for both the UK & EU. So the aircraft continue unabated...they will make it work.

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[martcov]

What on Earth are you on about now.

The truth is you WANT the uk to fail as even relative stability would mean others looking over your beloved EU curtain

It’s funny how you constantly abuse Farage. Even he has more loyalty and interest in this country than you.

Funny how you are at odds with your own industry and I am on their side, but you deduce that as being anti British.

 

[skybluetony176]

You are absolutely right for once.
Too much money in it for both the UK & EU. So the aircraft continue unabated...they will make it work.

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They probably will make it work. By way of a compromise. Not convinced that the majority of the leave voters will like the compromise though.

 

[martcov]

Yeah...doesn't want to threaten anybody. Perhaps he should've kept schtum then?

Plus, JLR are right to hold off...these are uncertain times. The govt is well aware of that - but there is a lot more at stake than JLR

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Which part of the government?

 

[martcov]

You are hilarious at times.
Everyone (EU countries as-in) wants them...it's just that they want them in the furthest EU country away from their own or in Africa!

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„Them“?

 

[martcov]

Yeah well we could have been another 20 had we left it to our EU colleagues...we will never know

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Well we do know as the EU visited 71 importers in China and are starting beef exports to China before us.

 

[martcov]

Shame you don't allow the UK similar patience tlregarding Brexit arrangements. After-all, you wouldn't wish to discriminate now would you? You want what is best for the UK don't you?

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UK has had 2 years and still doesn’t know what it wants. Still May is visiting Merkel now, so maybe she can ask for advice.

 

[martcov]

Someone didnt read the link I posted about the Austrians are laying in wait for Germany's next steps...they are looking to secure their border. Or do you think they should just do what Germany wants?

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I think that Austria is chairing the EU for 6 months starting from now, so they will be setting the agenda. They have said they want more details of Germany‘s plans. The SPD has yet to make their input. I should wait until Plans have been approved before you jump in.

 

[martcov]

3yrs behind what? The EU? As far as I know Britain was not one of the 6 countries to beneift initially anyhow. Ireland was...but they still aren't benefitting yet, despite thinking they would be by the end of 2016. Unless I have missed something which is always possible ..not that that would really matter. I was answering the question 'what deals'?
The BAE deal does benefit Britain's economy...it is a British company.

And another story for the record...look beyond beef £9billion of deal with China alone!!! (Apparently)
China to accept UK beef 20 years after ban as May secures £9bn trade deal BEFORE Brexit

So things might be slower on the Brexit deal...because being wise - we are working on new deals to bear fruit for the future.

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The 9 bn was in February and came with this caution:

„But Brexit has unnerved Beijing, concerned about losing an important voice supporting free trade in the European Union and what it may mean for market access to Europe for Chinese firms which have invested in Britain.“

This was said without knowing the final Brexit deal. So we don’t know what clauses are in the deal or what effect Brexit will have on those Chinese firms in Britain.

 

[Astute]

Most of what you say is true but I don't think he's talking about the new plants you've mentioned which were planned/up and running prior to the referendum.
I think he's talking about future investment. I don't think anything will halt what's going on at Whitely but I think it could affect Castle Brom, Solihull and Halewood.

The type of customs deal we get could have a massive affect on how JIT plants run, it would be amiss of him not to put pressure on for a customs deal that suite his company.

I agree. Could have.

Could have for a lot of other companies also. But what many seem to ignore is it is the same for the other countries in the EU. Our trade deficit is close to 100b it is said. That is a lot of companies that rely on exporting to us. Yes Juncker and Barnier have the right to play hard ball. Just like they do with the countries outside the EU. But in the end they do what is best for the workers in the EU...So far.

 

[Astute]

It’s not just the sales... it’s the supply chain... Sales can be more easily worked out. Certificates of origin may be more complicated.

Just because the little boy kept calling wolf, didn’t mean the wolf didn’t eventually turn up...

Which will make a mess for the EU as well. But you only see it one way.

 

[Astute]

You prefer to be in Brexit Britain? Where the government cannot agree on Brexit, supply chains could be slowed down resulting in a decline in manufacturing, production could go to Europe, a lack of labour in the NHS and farming could result in problems, GDP set to decline, bureaucracy to increase, civil servants to be employed.... and do on. I’ll stick it out here as part of the world‘s largest trading bloc with my guaranteed rights. Yes, it is fragile here as well, but aside from the cheaper pound I cannot see any reason for moving back to the U.K.. I’ll just enjoy the benefits of cheap holidays.

Than in a crumbling EU yes.

Even Juncker says it is serious. Yet you ignore this. Playing the twat with us would be the final straw. How many countries can they finance when they won't have the billions from us?

 

[Astute]

Someone didnt read the link I posted about the Austrians are laying in wait for Germany's next steps...they are looking to secure their border. Or do you think they should just do what Germany wants?

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He seems to think that everyone should do what Germany says.

 

[Astute]

I think that Austria is chairing the EU for 6 months starting from now, so they will be setting the agenda. They have said they want more details of Germany‘s plans. The SPD has yet to make their input. I should wait until Plans have been approved before you jump in.

So no plans will save the UK but we should wait to see the plans for the EU?

 

[Astute]

They probably will make it work. By way of a compromise. Not convinced that the majority of the leave voters will like the compromise though.

The UK is a major hub for flying. So what would happen with the EU if no planes were allowed to fly from here to the EU?

It wouldn't just be passengers pissed off with them.

It is just another stick to beat us with in an attempt to make us stay in the EU.

 

[Astute]

Well we do know as the EU visited 71 importers in China and are starting beef exports to China before us.

How many countries still can't though?

 

[Astute]

UK has had 2 years and still doesn’t know what it wants. Still May is visiting Merkel now, so maybe she can ask for advice.

More like we don't know what Juncker wants and what price. It is an absolute disgrace.

 

[skybluetony176]

The UK is a major hub for flying. So what would happen with the EU if no planes were allowed to fly from here to the EU?

It wouldn't just be passengers pissed off with them.

It is just another stick to beat us with in an attempt to make us stay in the EU.

Try reading the article instead of assuming what it said. It was nothing to do with flying rights it was to do with components made in the U.K. for the aero industry. Currently they’re certified for use under the EU’s EASA license. If we leave with no deal British made components will no longer be certified to fly, thus grounding aircraft. Worldwide, not just in the EU and U.K. So basically we need to maintain access to EASA for British made aero components, this can’t be done in a no deal situation.

 

[martcov]

Which will make a mess for the EU as well. But you only see it one way.

No I don’t. I see Brexit as bad for the U.K. and the EU.

 

[martcov]

More like we don't know what Juncker wants and what price. It is an absolute disgrace.

No it isn’t. What trade deal have we asked for? The red line isCU and SM... from May. CU and SM is what the EU wants, or a workable alternative. Simples.

 

[martcov]

How many countries still can't though?

Can’t what?

 

[martcov]

He seems to think that everyone should do what Germany says.

Who Kurz?

 

[martcov]

So no plans will save the UK but we should wait to see the plans for the EU?

Are we talking about the same thing? Secondary migration is what the talks are about. Brexit is not a priority as the U.K. has yet to say what they want as a future relationship with the EU. Should be interesting tomorrow.

 

[martcov]

Than in a crumbling EU yes.

Even Juncker says it is serious. Yet you ignore this. Playing the twat with us would be the final straw. How many countries can they finance when they won't have the billions from us?

The billions from us are peanuts in comparison to the 27 other countries. Even with Germany. We’re paying anyway for the next few years ....

 

[Grendel]

The billions from us are peanuts in comparison to the 27 other countries. Even with Germany. We’re paying anyway for the next few years ....

Not if there is no deal - no deal no payment Junke and Merkel can get Italy Spain etc to cough up a bit more. That might focus s few minds.

 

[martcov]

Not if there is no deal - no deal no payment Junke and Merkel can get Italy Spain etc to cough up a bit more. That might focus s few minds.

No deal will be a major calamity for the UK.... be careful what you wish for...

 

[Grendel]

Oh and before you or Tony point to the comment from that europhile Morse the case of international law on payments will need to be proved and the dispute would take years.

So in the meantime someone else will have to pick up the bill.

 

[Grendel]

No deal will be a major calamity for the UK.... be careful what you wish for...

It will be far more problematic for weak EU countries especially those who have trade balance in their favour with the uk. Huge payments will need to be plugged and that’s going to impact Greece Spain Portugal and Italy in particular

 

[martcov]

It will be far more problematic for weak EU countries especially those who have trade balance in their favour with the uk. Huge payments will need to be plugged and that’s going to impact Greece Spain Portugal and Italy in particular

Well Britain is going to be popular. What ever happened to our image? Cool Britannia and all that?

 

[skybluetony176]

Oh and before you or Tony point to the comment from that europhile Morse the case of international law on payments will need to be proved and the dispute would take years.

So in the meantime someone else will have to pick up the bill.

Are you talking about the comments he made back in April? Bit behind the times aren’t you. But seeing as you brought it up how do you think defaulting on the divorce bill will stand us with the rest of the world? Do people normally line up to do deals with people who default on payments? How do you think it will effect our credit rating? Do you think it will effect the rates our government borrow at?

 

[lifeskyblue]

Are the cabinet coming together this weekend or will the government fall apart before our eyes? Will it be the usual fudge or can they move forward in unity?


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[SkyblueBazza]

They probably will make it work. By way of a compromise. Not convinced that the majority of the leave voters will like the compromise though.

Some do not want to be convinced. And even if the majority of people think it is a good outcome...those same people will use a toothcomb to find a negative...& you're one of them!

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