It was 'advisory' G...you know like when you ask a financial advisor for advice? Then you seek every possible way you can find to justify ignoring the advice (at your own peril, of course!).Why did we have a referendum Tony?
That article could simply highlight to others that when it comes to practical solutions for post-Brexit operations...Britain is ahead of the EU AND trying to make things happen rather than blocking progress. And also that the fear-mongers' 'cliff-edge' might well be just a non-event (in the financial sector at least)Interesting article. Seems a no deal scenario could be better for the EU than us. Certainly for the financial sector anyway.
EU27 expected to keep City of London access after no-deal Brexit, says leading law firm
That article could simply highlight to others that when it comes to practical solutions for post-Brexit operations...Britain is ahead of the EU AND trying to make things happen rather than blocking progress. And also that the fear-mongers' 'cliff-edge' might well be just a non-event (in the financial sector at least)
“The relatively accommodating nature of the UK regulatory regime with regard to overseas firms goes a long way to mitigating the cliff-edge impact of a no-deal for such firms.” FOR THE EU.
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What like having a job on a £10k salary & no benefits...but then negotiate the best deal you can (£12k, plus pension & health insurance maybe - but not the £12.5k you wanted) at the annual review. Only to then tell them the new deal isn't what you wanted so you will carry on at £10k & no benefits instead?
That'll work I'm sure.
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The scenario as posited is more like stomping out of your current £40k pa job with benefits in a huff because you don't like the manager, while telling them to stick it when they say you can keep your job after all... or take a massive decrease.And completely missed the point. Let’s take your scenario and have £10k and no benefits as the status quo as EU members. Your assumption is that the government are going to negotiate a salary increase with benefits, that’s an assumption. Now let’s make another assumption. Let’s assume that what the government actually negotiates is a salary cut to £8K with still no benefits. Are you seriously suggesting that we should just accept that with no say because of the results of an advisory poll that suggested that we should renegotiate a salary deal even though we have the option to maintain the £10k no benefits status quo?
If the deal is the equivalent of your scenario it will get voted through. Hell, I’ll even vote for it myself. But if it’s the other scenario why should I lose the opportunity to reject it because some red faced, frothy mouthed moron who thinks Rees Mogg, Boris and Ferage are men of the people keeps repeating the completely meaningless and empty line of out means out?
Years you've been nothing but a clueless buffoon. You're a laughable excuse.
And, it seems, a snowflake who wants to dish it out and spread nonsense about people, but can't handle it when people point out the truth of you.
You admit & accept that the EU is deliberately trying to punish the UK then?I’ve added the bit you missed of. The accommodating nature means that the impact on the EU financial sector is mitigated, the same cannot be said for the EU financial sector dealing in the EU. For our financial sector it will be a hard brexit, not so for the EU financial sector. I thought that was pretty clear in the article but you seemed to have missed it.
The scenario as posited is more like stomping out of your current £40k pa job with benefits in a huff because you don't like the manager, while telling them to stick it when they say you can keep your job after all... or take a massive decrease.
But, again, that won't happen. The goivernment will negotiate the £50k pa salary, and everyone will be delighted.
You admit & accept that the EU is deliberately trying to punish the UK then?
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You are missing the whole point though. You are happily living in fear of stepping out of what you see as a comfort-zone.And completely missed the point. Let’s take your scenario and have £10k and no benefits as the status quo as EU members. Your assumption is that the government are going to negotiate a salary increase with benefits, that’s an assumption. Now let’s make another assumption. Let’s assume that what the government actually negotiates is a salary cut to £8K with still no benefits. Are you seriously suggesting that we should just accept that with no say because of the results of an advisory poll that suggested that we should renegotiate a salary deal even though we have the option to maintain the £10k no benefits status quo?
If the deal is the equivalent of your scenario it will get voted through. Hell, I’ll even vote for it myself. But if it’s the other scenario why should I lose the opportunity to reject it because some red faced, frothy mouthed moron who thinks Rees Mogg, Boris and Ferage are men of the people keeps repeating the completely meaningless and empty line of out means out?
Oo-ooh let's hope so. That extra £10k will go down well.
Sadly your scenario like some of your arguments is quite convoluted, or there are bits missing. But for the record...if you don't like the manager, it would be likely that it is an unpleasant working environment - so I & many others would seek pastures new. So maybe it is a good analogy after-all?
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Well tbf it's your scenario, but thankyou for saying my arguments are nuanced, rather than just coming up with a line and sticking to it dogmatically, whatever's out in frontSadly your scenario like some of your arguments is quite convoluted
You are missing the whole point though. You are happily living in fear of stepping out of what you see as a comfort-zone.
In the example, if the outcome was an £8k salary & no beneifts. I find the freedom to go find another better paid job empowering. The EU stifles such empowerment on many issues.
THAT is why the majority want out. You may be happy cow-towing all the time to what your darling EU say...because we make 1/27 noise in the EU. 1/27 of It's successes & failings are bourne by us. Out of it - we are masters of our own destiny...be it success, or failure.
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Oo-ooh let's hope so. That extra £10k will go down well.
Sadly your scenario like some of your arguments is quite convoluted, or there are bits missing. But for the record...if you don't like the manager, it would be likely that it is an unpleasant working environment - so I & many others would seek pastures new. So maybe it is a good analogy after-all?
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It’s your scenario, not mine. Convoluted in your opinion seems to mean that I should accept your heavily loaded scenario without question. Your scenario suggests that we can only gain by leaving you’ve not allowed for the prospect of the final deal being a loss. I just brought balance to that.
In simpler terms what if the final deal includes free movement of people and a continuing of contributing to the EU? Do you not think that people who voted leave and saw these as so called red lines don’t deserve the opportunity to reject it? The brexit argument isn’t going to go away if the deal is rejected. A new deal will have to be negotiated that the majority will accept. That’s democracy.
You are missing the whole point though. You are happily living in fear of stepping out of what you see as a comfort-zone.
In the example, if the outcome was an £8k salary & no beneifts. I find the freedom to go find another better paid job empowering. The EU stifles such empowerment on many issues.
THAT is why the majority want out. You may be happy cow-towing all the time to what your darling EU say...because we make 1/27 noise in the EU. 1/27 of It's successes & failings are bourne by us. Out of it - we are masters of our own destiny...be it success, or failure.
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No...the EU is your darling...it appears something you treasure.Darling EU? This is what makes you ridiculous. It’s straight from the train of thought that if you don’t follow Tommy Robinson unquestionably you must be a leftie, you can’t just be normal.
If the outcome is £8k no benefits and you go and look for another job the equivalent is leaving the EU and joining another trading block, which is not what we’re going to do. Your scenario is completely irrelevant to what we’re trying to achieve with Brexit.
Yes...if ypu convolute stuff enough you will get everyone to agree. Bit like the EU reallyWell tbf it's your scenario, but thankyou for saying my arguments are nuanced, rather than just coming up with a line and sticking to it dogmatically, whatever's out in front
No I don't see it as that. The original vote, which you would have applauded had it gone the other way, was not conditional. People want to apply conditions because the result doesn't suit them.
As for heavily loaded...I may be wrong, but you seem in favour of that as a deal outcome. Heavily loaded in favour of the EU so you can gloat that 'I told you we should have stayed in'
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The EU is far from perfect. Don’t know how many times I’ve said that now. Just because I don’t think leaving is the answer to this imperfect world doesn’t make it my darling. Same as not swallowing everything Tommy Robinson spouts makes me a leftie.No...the EU is your darling...it appears something you treasure.
Despite stating my case many times in this thread...I have had it continually eluded to that I am some sort of racist, a Farage supporter, UKIP voter & right-winger amongst other things. Some of them might (can't be arsed to check) have been from yourself. I could probably level a lot worse!
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But the original vote was 'leave' - staying in was never going to end in what I would have of the EU being to move fairly & smoothly forward. Just like leaving isn't going to be some magical uptopia that 'leavers' have been accused of envisioning.A deal that’s heavily loaded in the favour of the EU I would vote against given the opportunity. It’s you who’s willing to accept it without a say in whether we should or not. You seem to want to hand me the opportunity to say I told you so while I myself are willing to reject that opportunity. Given the option.
We didn’t vote leave at any cost. We voted leave on the understanding that leave would be better than remain. In the knowledge that that won’t be the case you want to deny people the right to reject it. Odd. Very odd. Turkeys voting for Xmas.But the original vote was 'leave' - staying in was never going to end in what I would have of the EU being to move fairly & smoothly forward. Just like leaving isn't going to be some magical uptopia that 'leavers' have been accused of envisioning.
As a nation (or those that cared) - we decided we would be better off out. Not dependent on anything. Just out.
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We didn’t vote leave at any cost. We voted leave on the understanding that leave would be better than remain. In the knowledge that that won’t be the case you want to deny people the right to reject it. Odd. Very odd. Turkeys voting for Xmas.
Maybe we voted leave WHATEVER the shorter term financial cost, to set the nation up for future generations to prosper by gaining from their own success rather than giving (because I truly believe the EU would have been given a mandate to force their agenda on us more readily had the vote gone the other way) increasingly to support the less successful nations.
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But that is the point. If people perceive that future generations will be worse off by remaining - they will take the hit now for those future generations.No one voted leave to be worse off unless they’re stupid. If the effects of brexit are irreversible we won’t be worse off short term we’ll just be worse off. You talk about setting up the younger generation but the younger generation wanted to remain so you’re being very disingenuous in claiming the vote leave was for them. As Ricky Gervais put it, we didn’t need a referendum to find out that the old hate the young. The EU can’t force anything on us. We have a veto. Anything that the EU has done our democratically elected government has agreed to it.
But that is the point. If people perceive that future generations will be worse off by remaining - they will take the hit now for those future generations.
The simple fact is that nobody can say what the acual outcomes will be for fact. Not me, not you, not anyone (includingMart[arse]Cov) on this forum, not Farage, Boris, Barnier, Juncker nor Uncle Tom-cobbly & all.
Which is why my stance from day post the referendum has been 'let us just get on with it'!!!
And I was referring to the Royal 'we' before you start applying labels ir pigeon-holing me
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If this has suddenly become an analogy about middle management perhaps people wouldn’t want to stay on moral grounds and find what they are being told to do uncomfortable.
“Hey Boss that Greek chap who works in the basement is crying he can’t afford to live as our payday loan we gave him means we take more than he earns. Can we lay off him for a bit?”
“Are you for real? Who cares about scum like him? We need to pay for our Xmas party for the German directors and people like him are the problem. Tell him you’ll increase payments if he doesn’t get back in line”
“What about the Italian analyst? He wants a bit of a pay rise”
“I’ve told you before all Italians are lazy fuckers. Tell him to work harder. Actually call a meeting with him, the German and French board and let’s kick the shit out of him just for a laugh”
Meanwhile, behind the usual sensationalist scare headline, the truth lurks:
"Extensive" planning is under way to prepare the health service for a no-deal Brexit scenario, the NHS England chief executive says.
Simon Stevens said immediate planning was taking place around the supply of medicines and equipment.
"Nobody's pretending this is a desirable situation, but if that's where we get to it will not have been unforeseen," he said.
Meanwhile, behind the usual sensationalist scare headline, the truth lurks:
"Extensive" planning is under way to prepare the health service for a no-deal Brexit scenario, the NHS England chief executive says.
Simon Stevens said immediate planning was taking place around the supply of medicines and equipment.
"Nobody's pretending this is a desirable situation, but if that's where we get to it will not have been unforeseen," he said.
read that properly and tell me you think this is a good situation.
"Simon Stevens said immediate planning was taking place around the supply of medicines and equipment."
"Nobody's pretending this is a desirable situation"
what positives are there in that?
We've gone from leavers on about free trade deals galore and 350 million a week for the NHS to them trying to put a positive spin on we're prepared for an emergency in less than a year.
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