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And some think we are mad for wanting out? Yet the EU doesn't want reform but is happy to keep throwing money at the problems caused.
Going a bit far past the point again I see.The article states that the problems stem from the 2008 crash. Refugees and now brexit are making it worse. Geography is the problem regarding refugees - and the attitude of countries such as Britain not wanting to share the burden. The self inflected brexit is not only damaging Britain, but also out European neighbours - yes, I know you don't care, but we cannot move our islands away from Europe and we will be effected by European crisis whether we like it or not.
Going a bit far past the point again I see.
Tony said 2008 was nowhere near as bad as now. He said what crash. Do you agree with him?
Brexit isn't the cause of any of this. Brexit has happened because of what the EU has become. You make out that we should continue to pay for the inefficiencies of the EU. The EU needs to change. They refuse to change. You want the EU to become stronger and have an even bigger say. That is what a federal state EU would be that you say you want. That is what I want out of.
It isn't that I don't care about what is going on in other countries. I just care more about what is going on in my own country and the effect on my own family. Just like you care more about what is going on in Germany and the effects once we have left.
And you meant what by this?The pound is at a 31 year low. How could things have been worse in 2008?
My wife was a lifelong Liberal supporter until two elections ago. They changed suddenly so much that their values were unrecognisable. And she will never vote for them again. Her trust in them has gone.
Are you saying my wife isn't daft?Just my opinion - but it's daft to make a decision never to vote for a party again. The parties are just made of individuals and over 5-10 years (and sometimes instantly) there is a complete change in the people in any position of control. It's better IMO to assess the situation every time you vote before deciding.
And you meant what by this?
I said there was a crash in 2008. You said there wasn't. I said things were worse then. People losing their homes and jobs. You said how could it be worse when the pound was higher.It's self explanatory. If you want to take it in context you'll look at the post I was replying to and indeed my OP that was replying to. If you don't want to take it in context because you want to make out I've said something I haven't you'll take that one post in isolation. Guess which one you're doing?
You obviously never followed the fluctuations in these things over the last 20, 30 or 40 years.
Chill out, this isn't unusual, in fact as recently as 2008 things looked much worse and most things are better now than they were then.
I suggest you have a look at the historical graphs (over last 50 years) of exchange rates, share indexes, inflation and gilt yields rather than screaming 'We're doomed'.
Or how about the exact post that your post was a reply to?The pound is at a 31 year low. How could things have been worse in 2008?
The article states that the problems stem from the 2008 crash. Refugees and now brexit are making it worse. Geography is the problem regarding refugees - and the attitude of countries such as Britain not wanting to share the burden. The self inflected brexit is not only damaging Britain, but also out European neighbours - yes, I know you don't care, but we cannot move our islands away from Europe and we will be effected by European crisis whether we like it or not.
As astute said before you could throw a blanket over all the political parties as they were all the same. Now let's get back to where labour meant the working man and conservatives was for posh village folk and the rich.
That would be a terrible shame if it happened. Each step you take aware from the centre is a step towards class hatred inspired decisions which is bad for the country. Only my opinion but I love it that we had three parties that wouldn't do something stupid.
I took my money out of everything except for consumables that paid good dividends about a year before the crash. Got away with it considering how bad it was.The disappointing thing about 2008 is that the Primatives warned us it was coming years before.
The Lib Dems said they would shut where my wife works. They thought it was a vote winner. The local Lib Democrats had to make a statement saying that it wouldn't happen. He went from being strong to coming last. The Lib Dems will never get in here again.That would be a terrible shame if it happened. Each step you take aware from the centre is a step towards class hatred inspired decisions which is bad for the country. Only my opinion but I love it that we had three parties that wouldn't do something stupid.
So Jezza for Labour and May for Conservative. Where is Hammond going?You'll love this, Ann Lucas is on the Labour NEC which decides if Jezza automatically gets on the ballot paper for Labour leader.
The article states that the problems stem from the 2008 crash. Refugees and now brexit are making it worse. Geography is the problem regarding refugees - and the attitude of countries such as Britain not wanting to share the burden. The self inflected brexit is not only damaging Britain, but also out European neighbours - yes, I know you don't care, but we cannot move our islands away from Europe and we will be effected by European crisis whether we like it or not.
It's only been 3 weeks and we haven't even triggered article 50. To suggest the euro zones and European problems are caused by brexit perhaps shows how biased you really are.
I do agree European currencies and financial problems are in trouble and we have seen nothing yet. Italy are looking down the barrel we can mention Greece again as obviously they are the worst hit. Basically Southern Europe but then you read and hear about how even France are in trouble and it's only French banks lending huge sums to bail out other countries that is helping. These bailouts that Greece et all get aren't for the people of the country to help them out but for failing banks in France etc and this is why Greece will never be allowed to leave and when they default this month we are looking at yet another bailout.
I can't remember where I read it but wasn't the euro or EU meant to fail to bring every one together. That's the point. Now countries can't escape. I don't know what the future is in Greece and others.
I know what ours is. Trade with the whole of the world including EU with our own currency. An immigration system that is fair and helps us with skills we actually need and a big shake up of our political system that is happening now that the whole system needs. They have been taking the piss for far too long and brexit was the chance people took to stop it. The political chaos you see now was caused by many many years of our political parties failing us not by one referendum result. This just gave it the nudge it needed.
I don't particularly like Theresa May as I don't get how a remainer can lead us out of EU when Dave told us he couldn't do it as he didn't believe in it. Go figure. I say that I'm also not totally against her. I think a woman is a good thing, I like what she is saying at least "brexit means brexit" so I'm happy to give her a chance. Let's see. The biggest point of all is if I don't like her I can vote her out in 2020 and demand change with others. I can't vote for or remove European biggest say man juncker.
As astute said before you could throw a blanket over all the political parties as they were all the same. Now let's get back to where labour meant the working man and conservatives was for posh village folk and the rich.
Wrong again.
Brexit was the wholly predictable consequence of the arrogance of the unelected EU elite, their refusal to modify and indifference to the UK's demands for change.
The exodus of Syrian refugees into Turkey was transformed virtually overnight into a flood of sub-continent and North African economic migrants across Europes borders by Merkel's 'Open Doors' statement.
That would be a terrible shame if it happened. Each step you take aware from the centre is a step towards class hatred inspired decisions which is bad for the country. Only my opinion but I love it that we had three parties that wouldn't do something stupid.
I agree.Yes, the centre ground has done us the world of good over the last 30-40 years.
Do you read the news or watch TV? Where are the refugees landing at the moment? Where were they before Merkel said "wir schaffen es" ( relating to the scenario at Budapest station - not an invitation 'for as many people as possible' to come to Europe, as that little shit, Farage, constantly claims )?
Merkel has said, that the long term problem is not Syria, but North Africa - and they will land in Italy.
Hahaha you really are utterly clueless. Your blind loyalty to Merkel and the EU is truly laughable.
And the negative points are?The brexit vote was about so much more than short-term economics......jeez.
I voted out because the EU is an un-elected, un-democratic, corrupt, inefficient elite gang of cunts who's main aim appears to be to protect the banks & big business at all costs regardless of their actions, and prop up the fatally flawed single currency experiment.....despite the fact that it causes very real & acute harm to the citizens of the (supposedly) sovereign states that are its "members".
Did you read the article? Did you read my post? It said that the situation in Italy was bad and that it had got worse because of the insecurity caused by Brexit. Not bias, and nowhere have I said that the Eurozone's and Europe's problems are all down to brexit. They may well have got worse because of it though.
You claim to be a democrat and want May to pull the trigger asap - based on a non-binding and close run referendum decided on arguments which have now been seen to have been false.
To do this, May would have to exercise a Royal Perogative delegated to her as Prime Minister by the monarch.
The monarch being unelected and the perogative dating back to centuries old traditions where there were no elections or referenda.
This would by-pass the elected parliament in an established parliamentary democracy.
For you and your fellows, democracy only counts if it goes your way ( in this case in a non-binding referendum with a relatively small majority of people who voted - but not of the electorate ). We have a parliament and because we now have a PM who we didn't elect and who was 'appointed' by default ( and was actually for 'remain' ), the parliament must be re-elected and the MPs must vote as they think fit, and after reasoned debate - with facts - possibly presented by a Royal commission - not lies , and decide what is best for their constituents and for the country as a whole.
That is how the UK is governed, not by the street, not by demagogues, but by the voters at a general election. They choose who they think will represent their interests best.
Farage had been rejected 7 times by the voters, but got huge amounts of airtime and press coverage for his bullshit.
Why do you keep accusing everyone of listening to Farage if they voted out?In other words, you haven't got a clue what is going on. You believe farage. You think that Syria will last forever. You don't realise the amount of young people without prospects in Africa and the geographical closeness of Africa to southern Italy ( Scilily and the islands ). Pointing out facts to you counts as blind loyalty - you yourself being a prime example of blind, ill-informed and ill-judged loyalty to your bullshit demagogues.
Reading the BBC weather forecast?So Jezza for Labour and May for Conservative. Where is Hammond going?
Moved from Top Gear to "The Grand Tour"?So Jezza for Labour and May for Conservative. Where is Hammond going?
In other words, you haven't got a clue what is going on. You believe farage. You think that Syria will last forever. You don't realise the amount of young people without prospects in Africa and the geographical closeness of Africa to southern Italy ( Scilily and the islands ). Pointing out facts to you counts as blind loyalty - you yourself being a prime example of blind, ill-informed and ill-judged loyalty to your bullshit demagogues.
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