The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (21 Viewers)

As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed .

Astute

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Farage said in advance that 52:48 would be unfinished business. He is an expert at silly childish behaviour along with BoJo and I have no doubt they would be making stupid protests if remain had won.
Just like certain people that wanted a remain vote are doing now?

Hardly anyone listened to a word Farage said. Other than those that wanted someone to aim things at. I don't know anyone who voted leave because of anything Farage said. But I know of votes lost to the out side as they see him as racist.

But hey ho someone to blame for the majority voting leave.
 

martcov

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Juncker should have gone years ago. But he wants to stay. Who has a big enough say to get rid of him?

Like you say 48% is amazing. Many of the Germans have had enough. And it won't take much trouble to change it again.

Of course many are not impressed with Brexit. Where is the money going to come from that we presently pay in? How big is the UK market to the Germans? And Juncker wants to charge us for selling to the EU. So how much is that going to cost German industries?

Why would the Germans be impressed with Brexit?

The people I have spoken to are not even calculating the effects of GDP or the Uk's contribution, they just think we are mad and are amazed at BoJo and Farage legging it. TBF a couple of right wingers have said "thank you". Not surprised at that though.
 

Kingokings204

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The people I have spoken to are not even calculating the effects of GDP or the Uk's contribution, they just think we are mad and are amazed at BoJo and Farage legging it. TBF a couple of right wingers have said "thank you". Not surprised at that though.

I don't get this. How have they legged it? Farage isn't in government and has no say whatsoever. So don't see what he can do anyway.

Boris has been well published stabbed in the back and clearly it didn't go the plan he planned so again wouldnt exactly legging it tbh.

Hey we've got a remainer as new PM so don't be too down hearted.
 

clint van damme

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Farage said in advance that 52:48 would be unfinished business. He is an expert at silly childish behaviour along with BoJo and I have no doubt they would be making stupid protests if remain had won.
I don't think Boris would, I think he wanted remain to win.
All he wanted to do was appeal to the right of the tory party before he had a shot at the leadership. The man was preaching expansion of the EU to allow Turkey in not long ago.
This whole saga as finished his political career.
 

Kingokings204

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Very dignified speech from leadsom in defeat. Fair play to her.

I didn't want may personally but hey she will still be good if we all back her and get behind this great country. We need to re unite. The 48% have a voice and may is one of those 48% so here it to re uniting this country and may said brexit means brexit so fair play to Mrs may and let's do this.

Says she could become PM within days.
 

clint van damme

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Very dignified speech from leadsom in defeat. Fair play to her.

I didn't want may personally but hey she will still be good if we all back her and get behind this great country. We need to re unite. The 48% have a voice and may is one of those 48% so here it to re uniting this country and may said brexit means brexit so fair play to Mrs may and let's do this.

Says she could become PM within days.

So the leading outers have done one and it's left to a remainer to actually take us through the process of exiting?! What a mess!
 

Kingokings204

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So the leading outers have done one and it's left to a remainer to actually take us through the process of exiting?! What a mess!

Not really a mess no although I take your point. For me it has been a big shake up and a wake up call this country has badly needed and I welcome it. Also a new leader now this week already it's looking better.

Here is it and just for you Tony.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ea-Leadsom-drops-Tory-leadership-contest.html

Markets love certainty.
 

Captain Dart

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Kingokings204

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Watch the exchange rate improve. PS FTSE 100 up 1% today, FTSE 250 up 2.5% today. Crisis what crisis.

I know it's only small increases but the point is when things get sorted markets and currency's increase over time.

It went up today purely just because leadsom pulled out the race so this is how it works.
 

armybike

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May will be Prime Minister by Wednesday afternoon.
 

Kingokings204

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Let's hope then she can trigger article 50. She said she would.

Brexit means brexit
 

Captain Dart

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I know it's only small increases but the point is when things get sorted markets and currency's increase over time.

It went up today purely just because leadsom pulled out the race so this is how it works.

I know mate, some people don't. :angelic:
 

Captain Dart

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What on earth happened in this world where I read that and think 'thank God for that'?!?:depressed:
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chiefdave

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What a shambles politics is at the moment. As a country we preach about democracy yet we will have a PM that even the members of her own party didn't get a chance to vote for (insert your own conspiracy theory about the way that played out).

Then over with the opposition you have Eagles and her cronies ignoring the will of her party members. They're now talking about not allowing Corbyn on the ballot even though their own legal advisors said he had a right to be on there.

Hardly anyone even knows who the leader of the Lib Dems or Greens are. Sure I'm not alone in wondering what the point of voting is when the results seem to get ignored if the 'right' result isn't achieved.
 

RegTheDonk

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May will be Prime Minister by Wednesday afternoon.
Only one in the running really. I see she's started putting out the same old crap already about being a party for all and not just the privileged. How many others have said that, on BOTH sides.

I fear for the little man to be honest as her campaign was all about what a hard knock she's been, rather than championing anything compassionate. At least this will give a bit of stability and a plan to go forward can now be hatched....maybe we'll see the markets improve lads? (lights touch paper and retires :D).
 
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They're now talking about not allowing Corbyn on the ballot

I'm not particularly a fan of Corbyn, but I know who I'd be backing if he wasn't allowed on the ballot.

That being said, the Tory way of electing a leader is a lot more pragmatic, and helps avoid the clashes Labour now have...
 

Astute

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Then over with the opposition you have Eagles and her cronies ignoring the will of her party members. They're now talking about not allowing Corbyn on the ballot even though their own legal advisors said he had a right to be on there.
It is unknown how many Tories that voted Corbyn in. All you had to do to get a vote was pay a couple of quid. Labour had record amounts of people joining to be able to vote in the next leader. And Corbyn went from total outsider to favourite in days. He only got as far as the vote as a couple of Labour MP's wanted one more to join in with the ballot. And there was plenty of items online saying about paying a couple of quid to stitch the vote up.
 

clint van damme

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It is unknown how many Tories that voted Corbyn in. All you had to do to get a vote was pay a couple of quid. Labour had record amounts of people joining to be able to vote in the next leader. And Corbyn went from total outsider to favourite in days. He only got as far as the vote as a couple of Labour MP's wanted one more to join in with the ballot. And there was plenty of items online saying about paying a couple of quid to stitch the vote up.
there was undoubtedly a bit of that but 10,000 people mobilised in London alone last week to support him at less than 24 hours notice so he's definitely appealing to a lot of people.
If Labour hold a leadership contest without him on the ballot they'll be finished for a lot of people.
 

Astute

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there was undoubtedly a bit of that but 10,000 people mobilised in London alone last week to support him at less than 24 hours notice so he's definitely appealing to a lot of people.
If Labour hold a leadership contest without him on the ballot they'll be finished for a lot of people.
And how many of them were the same Tories trying to keep him in?
 

chiefdave

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And how many of them were the same Tories trying to keep him in?
So what do you suggest Astute? Do we start not counting certain votes?

You only have to look at when Corbyn turns up somewhere to speak, the number of people who turn up to see him is unlike any politician I can remember.

Of course that doesn't mean to say it will translate to a general election victory but I'm not buying the idea that he only won because of some Tory masterplan to vote him in.
 

clint van damme

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And how many of them were the same Tories trying to keep him in?
Don't but it myself. And anyway I think now labour ousting him would be better for the tories than him staying as it will definitely split the party though in all likelihood it will split anyway.
 
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I'm not buying the idea that he only won because of some Tory masterplan to vote him in.

It is slightly bizarre to suggest that a left winger can only be voted in as leader of the largest socialist party in Britain, with the help of some closet right wingers!
 
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(Oh, and given the choices I'm currently offered, I'd be voting Corbyn. Offer me a dynamic left wing alternative and I'd swap. Eagle is not that however!)
 

Captain Dart

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there was undoubtedly a bit of that but 10,000 people mobilised in London alone last week to support him at less than 24 hours notice so he's definitely appealing to a lot of people.
If Labour hold a leadership contest without him on the ballot they'll be finished for a lot of people.

There are a lot of Trots on call out.
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chiefdave

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If Labour hold a leadership contest without him on the ballot they'll be finished for a lot of people.
Wonder how it will play out. If they let him on the ballot he'll more than likely win. He's polling way higher now with Labour members than when he won the biggest landslide ever in a leadership contest. Would the Blairites walk? Unless they defect to the tories it would be career ending for a lot of them without a major party machine behind them. Have seen a few rumours of them being joined by the more centrist tories to form a new party. That could be interesting but surely just rumours.

If they keep him off the ballot how much of the membership would they lose? And how much union support? If Corbyn was persuaded by the unions to split off I can ownership of the Labour party ending up in court.
 
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Unless they defect to the tories it would be career ending for a lot of them without a major party machine behind them.

Liberals are crying out for a few left of centre politicians...

Tragedy is, if the progressive elements just co-operated, they could probably live happily ever after, and keep the Tories out more often than not.
 

Astute

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Sure I'm not alone in wondering what the point of voting is when the results seem to get ignored if the 'right' result isn't achieved.

And this is the point that a lot of people seem to be missing about Brexit.

It would take a brave or stupid politician to go against the referendum. It has already cost some political careers. This includes our PM. He saw it as a way of getting an overall majority. It worked. But he didn't see the out vote coming. He didn't see Juncker stabbing him in the back the day before the vote. This showed he had been economical with the truth at best. And Brexit will mean that a lot of tax dodges like what his own family does will be able to be controlled. As in like the fund that his parents gave him over 1m out of recently. Company tax dodges will be easier to control. You trade here you pay tax here. Not pay tax in Luxembourg where they have many more companies than they have residents. Not the sort of position that 'you can call me Dave' wanted to be in.

May is saying sorting out the tax dodges will be a priority. It is about time something was done. The last time Labour were in they were Conservatives under a different name. And as for Blair.....

The last time we had a woman MP we needed a strong one. But she went too far. The unions were too strong. But instead of reform it ended up being an all out war with them. If May does it right I can see voters from all parties voting her in next time. If she gets it wrong then anarchy like there was with Maggie.

We are in for some interesting times. We are leaving the EU where we are the second strongest economy. We will be able to trade freely with the rest of the world again. Look at the emerging countries like China and India. We won't have time to play silly games with the EU and Juncker. It is time to put the Great back into Britain.
 

Astute

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Liberals are crying out for a few left of centre politicians...

Tragedy is, if the progressive elements just co-operated, they could probably live happily ever after, and keep the Tories out more often than not.
My wife was a lifelong Liberal supporter until two elections ago. They changed suddenly so much that their values were unrecognisable. And she will never vote for them again. Her trust in them has gone.
 

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