Norway involved freedom of movement and you don’t like that.
FOM is one of the 4 pillars that are not negotiable. No point in a meeting. No other country is bothered about freedom of movement anyway. Juncker was right to point that out.
Logic always said there would be a deal. The EU countries do too much trade with us to just show us the middle finger. It was the one card we always had in our favour. There are thousands of companies in the EU that depend on trade with us. Many of these are in countries with high unemployment rates. They are in countries that already take money out of the EU.
But now isn't a time to celebrate yet. There is a long way to go. We have those that say only out is out. And we also have those who want to remain and nothing else. Will they be happy with a middle of the road approach?
We don't have a deal. Cabinet has agreed a frame work for withdrawal.
I doubt it will get in front of the EU as the terms appear to me to be unacceptable to the DUP and in all likelihood hard line Brexiteers.
Remain in the EU doesn't seem to be an option.
Another referendum doesn't seem to be an option.
So what is your thoughts on making this shitfest become something that is acceptable to all sides?
It will be agreed by the EU. Can't see that being a problem. I can see it being a problem here though as so many people want so many different things to happen.We don't have a deal. Cabinet has agreed a frame work for withdrawal.
I doubt it will get in front of the EU as the terms appear to me to be unacceptable to the DUP and in all likelihood hard line Brexiteers.
Rees Mogg is in charge, and he has written to his supporters asking them to revolt against the deal. May has implied that there is no guarantee of Brexit if she loses. Referendum?
It will be agreed by the EU. Can't see that being a problem. I can see it being a problem here though as so many people want so many different things to happen.
Who said I don't like freedom of movement?Norway involved freedom of movement and you don’t like that.
FOM is one of the 4 pillars that are not negotiable. No point in a meeting. No other country is bothered about freedom of movement anyway. Juncker was right to point that out.
It will all be down to the details we don't have a clue about. Will it be over 50% that need to say yes?I think you're right the EU would go for it but I don't see it getting that far.
Who said I don't like freedom of movement?
What I have said is I see the problems it brings. The same problems you deny or find someone who isn't EU to blame. I understand why people are against freedom of movement.
If you tried looking past your own opinion you would understand. But you never will.
It will all be down to the details we don't have a clue about. Will it be over 50% that need to say yes?
If so it could come down to accept the deal or hard Brexit. Because neither side will follow what their leader says. I will put my money on whichever result has the biggest odds.
I think you're right the EU would go for it but I don't see it getting that far.
Remain in the EU doesn't seem to be an option.
Another referendum doesn't seem to be an option.
So what is your thoughts on making this shitfest become something that is acceptable to all sides?
If I have then you should not be so convoluted in making your point...if you want to be understood. Or perhaps you have missed mine?as usual you've totally missed the point.
If I have then you should not be so convoluted in making your point...if you want to be understood. Or perhaps you have missed mine?
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Accept the deal or hard Brexit, and/or GE or referendum with remain as an option.
We had a vote and remain lost.
Cut it out.
can't recall anyone saying Brexit would lead to world war 3.
First ministerial resignation came this morning.Some suggestion is she may be gone by tonight
Who said I don't like freedom of movement?
It's not really how living in a democracy works though, is it? If there's demand for one then there should be one.
For the record I can see problems it would cause, which is why I think the EEA would be a meeting in the middle of sorts. It was originally pit across as hard-leavers as an option when they weren't so confident of getting a result.
I think voting for it is more likely to finish them as it would move Northern Ireland much closer to the South and that ultimately could mean a united Ireland. Personally I think they’re on life support anyway. To many people have enjoyed piece to listen to their antiquated politics, too many people want pro choice for women, too many people want equal rights for LGBT and they look to the south and see it happening.
Not really, see above!Simplistic and not really true as the SDLP has mostly been more popular than SF. Likewise the UUP have mostly achieved more votes than the DUP. Both more moderate.
To be fair they're a bit too liberal for Saudi etc.They DUP are dinosaurs, no idea how anyone living in the 21C can vote for them.
Vote numbers for Unionist and non-Unionist are close.
So no way will DUP/UUP risk a referendum, but I should think they'll still command a majority at the moment.
I suspect some laws will be liberalised in the next decade.
Party..... Seats......... Votes
DUP........... 10.......... 292,316
Sinn Féin.... 7............ 238,915
SDLP........... 0............. 95,419
UUP............. 0............. 83,280
To be fair they're a bit too liberal for Saudi etc.
Dominic Raab has resigned. Tory voters have got a lot to answer for electing this rabble.
Vote numbers for Unionist and non-Unionist are close.
So no way will DUP/UUP risk a referendum, but I should think they'll still command a majority at the moment.
I suspect some laws will be liberalised in the next decade.
Party..... Seats......... Votes
DUP........... 10.......... 292,316
Sinn Féin.... 7............ 238,915
SDLP........... 0............. 95,419
UUP............. 0............. 83,280
Not really, see above!
To be fair they're a bit too liberal for Saudi etc.
cabinet were initially on board with chequers then resignations followed. I suspect cabinet view will change significantly over coming days.
Once the full details of the deal start to get scrutinised I reckon those MPs who support it will come under huge pressure to reject this halfway house cock up.
Cameron tried that and was told to f off.I don't think it would be out of the realm of possibility for the UK to negotiate some sort of cap on net migration above a certain number/depending on economic conditions. That would be easier to sell to the public.
Cameron tried that and was told to f off.
I get your point, but I think a border in the Irish sea is more unpalatable to them.
May isn't going to last long, can see there being a GE soon with Corbyn getting in
Your problem seems to be that it isn't getting obviously better for you rather than it is actually hard, believe me your generation has it easy & my generation had it easy compared to my parents. Your perspective is skewed.The money taken from my salary to pay off the £35k of student debt isn't enough to pay off the interest never mind the loans. The 2008 recession was the worst since 1929 and happened just as I went off to university. I graduated 5 years after that with a 1st class Masters and industrial experience but nobody was hiring. As for climate change it has gone on steroids in the past few decades despite there being far more evidence than there was for those around in the industrial revolution. Oh, and let's not forget the long list of failed military interventions. And the tremendous shit show that constitutes Brexit.
Instead the government denies young people a living wage, takes away maintenance grants and EMA, and refuses to fund education in line with inflation.
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