It’s more Brexit. Government policy.
The Sun
Daily Mail
Telegraph
To name but a few and the BBC isn’t anti Brexit- both sides often complain it is biased, which means it is probably doing an okay job
I don’t find Sky to be particularity anti Brexit either
Yep its all a conspiracy to scupper it I think..........The mainstream media are wetting themselves over a new vote and the EU creeps are bending over backwards to force it down that road......still thankfully its nice to know that in the future in the UK that democracy is now a sham and that if we scream loud and long enough we shall be able to overturn almost any vote !
Thanks for that William !The sovereign parliament was elected by the people. The majority of people are now for remain according to polls. The high point for leave was 2,5 years ago. Now you are saying that parliament is also for remain. The will of the people, Volkswillen, is obviously not for leave. More BS from you.
It is the UK parliament that has a clear remain majority that wants to subvert the will of the people. The ECJ is easing the way for them.
We ?....do actually still get to vote on OUR issues ?It took over 40 years of lies, screaming, blaming to get this far, and now look at the mess we are in. We were supposed to be sailing into the sunset, but managed to hit a rock whilst still in the Harbour.
He can vote in council elections, not general or referendum. Assuming that he hasn’t become a British citizen since he’s been here.
We ?....do actually still get to vote on OUR issues ?
Not many hours though, is it.
May has delayed the vote and possibly cancelled it, more bad news for anyone who values parliamentary sovereignty. If it's just delaying what is that going to do, the agreement is never going to get through.
If she cancels it she's finished surely? . What a fucking mess.
despite attempts by a poster on here earlier to claim that the EU is on the back foot, May has cancelled the vote, according to reports
May has delayed the vote and possibly cancelled it, more bad news for anyone who values parliamentary sovereignty. If it's just delaying what is that going to do, the agreement is never going to get through.
If she cancels it she's finished surely? . What a fucking mess.
Disagree on that. Good news for parliamentary sovereignty. Even it is a mess. Parliament is deciding. If the people don’t like it they will get to vote the government out. Hopefully we/ you will get a GE to give this mess back to the people, or a second referendum. The fact that this is being debated and all sides are chipping in is democracy. Arguments are being put forward and discussed. Rightly so. The government will be held to account.
Either the deal, which can be read and studied, gets accepted, or it doesn’t.
Better than a yes/ no referendum.
Yep people can’t subvert the will of be people they can only express an alternative view. Biggest crock in the whole debate this will of the people nonsenseIt wouldn't be subverting the will of the people if the will of the people has changed though, would it. It would be a sovereign democracy following the will of the people.
Remember that Theresa May had no issue with asking the public to vote again when she thought it would benefit her. 763 days between the last two general elections. The "blemished" referendum was 900 days ago.
but parliament isn't deciding if they don't vote. The vote has to be carried out now, surely?
Rumour has it they can’t cancel the vote without a huge argument. Have been saying all week they should have called it off when it became obvious it wasn’t going to be voted through and have spent he debating time coming up with some answers
The failure was not May‘s deal, but Cameron‘s gamble with an advisory referendum. A proper referendum should have had a qualified majority and should fall under strict electoral laws. The referendum has damaged our sovereign parliament by being an alternative source of power in this instance.
Yep people can’t subvert the will of be people they can only express an alternative view. Biggest crock in the whole debate this will of the people nonsense
The sovereign parliament was elected by the people. The majority of people are now for remain according to polls. The high point for leave was 2,5 years ago. Now you are saying that parliament is also for remain. The will of the people, Volkswillen, is obviously not for leave. More BS from you.
The Sun
Daily Mail
Telegraph
To name but a few and the BBC isn’t anti Brexit- both sides often complain it is biased, which means it is probably doing an okay job
I don’t find Sky to be particularity anti Brexit either
Disagree on that. Good news for parliamentary sovereignty. Even it is a mess. Parliament is deciding. If the people don’t like it they will get to vote the government out. Hopefully we/ you will get a GE to give this mess back to the people, or a second referendum. The fact that this is being debated and all sides are chipping in is democracy. Arguments are being put forward and discussed. Rightly so. The government will be held to account.
Either the deal, which can be read and studied, gets accepted, or it doesn’t.
Better than a yes/ no referendum.
If the bill cannot go through parliament it should be
Do you want this deal?
Do you want to leave but another deal?
Do you want to remain?
Do you want to remain but with improved terms from the EU?
It wouldn't be subverting the will of the people if the will of the people has changed though, would it. It would be a sovereign democracy following the will of the people.
Remember that Theresa May had no issue with asking the public to vote again when she thought it would benefit her. 763 days between the last two general elections. The "blemished" referendum was 900 days ago.
And again if it changed in 6 months we’d must have a third referendum
Any second referendum should be Canada + or Norway +. The plus being the stuff needed for the Irish Border and protection of the GFA.
Not really, because we would not be in a crisis stuck in grid lock not sure which way to go. There would be no discussion about frictionless trade or uncertainty about all other trade deals. The pound and stock markets would recover and life would go on. Obviously, the biggest challenge would be to redress the legimate complaints of those „left behind“, something not on Davis‘, Johnson‘s or Rees Mogg‘s to do list. There is a lot to do in Britain, casting off into the unknown, or rather trying to, has put these things to the back of the list. I doubt whether the poorest in Britain have noticed anything so far, and I cannot see them getting any benefits in the short term with the deal May has, or deregulated capitalism. When you look who is behind the think tanks and leave donations, it is obvious where Brexit would be going if they could get it through.
Piss up in a brewery
I was fairly prepared to accept a half hearted Brexit to account for the large minority that lost, but if this doesn't even come off then I hope we just go for a full no deal Brexit.
If there is no Brexit at all then I can see a Paris style situation going on. All faith in democracy will be gone.
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