clint van damme
Well-Known Member
just edited my post, he's just tabled the no confidence vote!! Shit moves fast!
I think he hasn't gone for the GE because of the amount of Labour voters who want out of the EU. Look at the Labour strongholds. Look how they voted.
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I'll have a good guess and say your on the East side of Scotland
Peace.
just edited my post, he's just tabled the no confidence vote!! Shit moves fast!
Something like 77/23 of labour voters are happy with a second vote. I’m happy to say I’ve changed my opinion discussing things on here. I think it was outrageous to abdicate the decision but principled people see things different to me and I don’t think we’ve given our elected representatives enough time. They want the job they should bloody well do it. I will reconsider this end JanuaryI think he hasn't gone for the GE because of the amount of Labour voters who want out of the EU. Look at the Labour strongholds. Look how they voted.
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Why FFS?
Didn't think anyone had any confidence in Theresa May.
No confidence sounds spot on.
Something like 77/23 of labour voters are happy with a second vote. I’m happy to say I’ve changed my opinion discussing things on here. I think it was outrageous to abdicate the decision but principled people see things different to me and I don’t think we’ve given our elected representatives enough time. They want the job they should bloody well do it. I will reconsider this end January
She doesn't want to save her career. She has already said she is going.
To me what she wants to save is the Tory party. The Tories rely on floating voters. There is not enough rich to keep them in. There isn't enough middle class to keep them in. What they need is people who class themselves as middle class when they are working class.
And here is her problem. Most seats are in England. Most of England voted leave. Hardly anywhere voted remain. So if we end up staying in the EU the Tories will struggle for votes in the next GE. So she is trying to keep everyone happy but is making most unhappy. The EU doesn't want a deal. They want us to stay in. Those who want to remain are not happy. Those who want to leave are not happy.
And yet again she is ruling out another referendum as it would be irreparable damage to the integrity of our politics. I expect her to reiterate it again today. And I think it is for the reasons above.
Why FFS?
Didn't think anyone had any confidence in Theresa May.
No confidence sounds spot on.
Would you like to point out where I said that hardly anyone voted remain?
Is this a twisting of words or was it just not reading what I said properly?
Most areas of England voted leave. That is what I said. MP's get voted in by an area voting for them. It isn't proportional representation.
Here is something for you to deny if you are trying to say I am being untruthful.
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Can’t find it anywhere sure I heard someone quote it on bbc news this morning. Sorry if it’s bunkum.Where does this 77 23 figure come from?
So are we all agreed?
No way this deal goes through irrespective of another 5 days of discussion before w/c 14/1.
Therefore we will require a cross party solution because a second refurrendum is undemocratic and we expect our elected representatives to complete their jobs
Referendum and undemocratic don’t belong in the same sentence. You’ve contradicted yourself. By definition, a second referendum cannot be undemocratic. Not holding one can be though, given that polls suggests the following; public rejects May’s deal, public favours Remain, and finally, is in favour of holding a second referendum. It’s undemocratic and ‘Stalinist’ (nod to Grendel) to not hold a second referendum.
As for a cross-party solution? Not happening, early in the process it may have been possible. Labour is risking electoral oblivion if it supports May’s deal. It’s suicide. On the flip side, there’s no downside for Labour to support a second referendum, despite many Labour strongholds voting Leave.
This sums up it up reasonably well.
Party activists pile pressure on Corbyn to back second vote
You have previously said polls should not influence a decision but now they do
So if we do abd this is a remain decision it would be undemocraric not to have a third if leave forges ahead and then a fourth if remain come back and then a fifth leave sneak ahead again.....
Theresa May is too tall to be a crankie surely.Gives the crankie a load of ammo
Can you point it out to me then?@Astute you said hardly anyone voted remain in the post I quoted earlier, I’ve quoted it again for you.
Not at all. You have changed the most important word. Anyone is nothing like anywhere.They were your own words,not mine. I’m not sure you’re in a position to accuse someone else of twisting words
By definition, a second referendum cannot be undemocratic.
Why FFS?
Didn't think anyone had any confidence in Theresa May.
No confidence sounds spot on.
Not at all. You have changed the most important word. Anyone is nothing like anywhere.
You have reposted my post 3 times now. And each time it says the same. Think you need to keep off the beer.
Referendum and undemocratic don’t belong in the same sentence. You’ve contradicted yourself. By definition, a second referendum cannot be undemocratic. Not holding one can be though, given that polls suggests the following; public rejects May’s deal, public favours Remain, and finally, is in favour of holding a second referendum. It’s undemocratic and ‘Stalinist’ (nod to Grendel) to not hold a second referendum.
As for a cross-party solution? Not happening, early in the process it may have been possible. Labour is risking electoral oblivion if it supports May’s deal. It’s suicide. On the flip side, there’s no downside for Labour to support a second referendum, despite many Labour strongholds voting Leave.
This sums up it up reasonably well.
Jeremy Corbyn slides in approval ratings in spite of Tory schisms
Party activists pile pressure on Corbyn to back second vote
To be fair I’d had about 6 Guinness by 1pm yesterday
The motion is a vote of no confidence in the P.M not the government, as such it may gain support on the conservative benches.DUP will vote against the motion so cannot succeed.
Yup. No confidence in Theresa May.The motion is a vote of no confidence in the P.M not the government, as such it may gain support on the conservative benches.
The motion is a vote of no confidence in the P.M not the government, as such it may gain support on the conservative benches.
Not even the PM wannabes?I'm fully aware of that.
The DUP's Sammy Wilson has confirmed they will vote against the motion and here's no chance of Conservative MPs voting for it.
1pm yesterday? You still pissed from that?To be fair I’d had about 6 Guinness by 1pm yesterday - thatll teach me for not reading properly though
I'm fully aware of that.
The DUP's Sammy Wilson has confirmed they will vote against the motion and here's no chance of Conservative MPs voting for it.
Definitely not them.Not even the PM wannabes?
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