skybluetony176
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You support astute and he thinks horses love horse racing. What’s the difference?
No you acknowledge he agreed with you. You admitted anyone who doesn’t you find irrational.
You’ve sided with a ukip voter who labelled another poster monkey boy (a vile racist slur) and has admitted he’d happily side with a fan of Tommy Robinson as long as he supports your view. Tony is rational in your demented mind.
You are a fucking arsehole. Reblocked.You support astute and he thinks horses love horse racing. What’s the difference?
What result?Is the result reasonably accurate?
You are a fucking arsehole. Reblocked.
You are basing public views on 25,000 people not on 85% of the electorate at the last election who supported parties believing we should leave
If the result was remain and then a referendum came down in remain but a week later leave came on top in the polls we need another
You are basing your view on a tiny percentage and on presented with a question that did not even allow the poll participants to consider a no deal option. So it’s hugely skewed - it’s sponsored by a remain group and backed by the remain press
What result?
What are going on about?Any result according to this methodology.
What are going on about?
Why did the bookies offer massive odds in the last referendum?Does this methodology produce reliable results? Which would be the proof of the pudding.
The biggest decision for many years and to be decided by a bunch of idiots. Cameron has a lot to answer for.Blimey...2 weeks away...good to see that everyone given time has buried the proverbial hatchet over this Brexit thing. Shame to see that it is mostly in one & another's heads lol
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I agree, he does. As do successive politicians who have walked us into the situation over many years. And so does the media after years of indoctrinating the masses with focused negative reporting about the EU. And so does the EU for the actions/inactions it is responsible for to pursuing it's ideals & perhaps ignoring/dismissing the impact on the man in the street.The biggest decision for many years and to be decided by a bunch of idiots. Cameron has a lot to answer for.
If the electorate still wanted to leave the EU, then sure, why not have a choice of what kind of Brexit we wanted.
these options should have been added in the first referendum, it would have put a lot of the current arguments to bed there and then.
Too late now unfortunately.
So the idea of going against a public vote being undemocratic is ridiculous?I’m an advocate of another referendum and the idea that’s somehow undemocratic is ridiculous.
So the idea of going against a public vote being undemocratic is ridiculous?
I don’t think that was a viable option then or now. If Parliament rejects the deal on the table, the likely outcome is a referendum on remaining in the EU and leaving (without a deal). Although that’s for the Government and electoral commission to sort out if it came to that.
May’s deal is pretty similar to the Norwegian model which Nigel Farage spent years campaigning for and he’s the politician that really brought this issue to the forefront of UK politics. Yet, a lot of Brexiteers in Parliament, namely Boris Johnson and Rees-Mogg, totally reject that arrangement (as do I, but for different reasons).
I’m an advocate of another referendum and the idea that’s somehow undemocratic is ridiculous. Another vote doesn’t guarantee a reversal of Brexit, and if we’re that committed to the Brexit on offer, the electorate will vote Leave again. Take the example of Norway, they’ve had two referendums on joining the EU and the electorate have rejected that twice.
We all know where you stand on the subject. But it doesn't make everyone who doesn't agree with you ridiculous.With another public vote? Yes. You know where I stand on this.
Johnson was banging the drum for staying in the single market at one point.
That's why this leave mean leave rhetoric is absolute bollocks to me. I've said it repeatedly on here. You can see all sorts of different points of view on what leaving means from prominent leavers pre referendum if you look out their comments, I think that's contributed to the mess.
Problem now is, is it fair that people who voted remain should have a say on the final deal? I'm not so sure it is. That's why I think it should have been done at the time of the referendum.
We all know where you stand on the subject. But it doesn't make everyone who doesn't agree with you ridiculous.
Look at what I have said.Disagreeing with a second referendum is a legitimate argument. However, calling a new referendum ‘undemocratic’, ‘undermining democracy’ or ‘Stalinist’ is a ridiculous stance.
Look at what I have said.
Ignoring a democratic vote is undemocratic. If there is a second referendum the first one will have been ignored.
Anything that excludes any group of voters is preposterous. Besides, our voting is done by secret ballot so what’s stopping any one saying they voted Leave when they didn’t.
that's my point. It's too late now. It should have been done during the original ballot.
On that basis, the 2016 referendum is undemocratic because it ignored the referendum of 1975. But that’s a rather silly position to take, isn’t it?
Is that somehow an argument against a second referendum?
but the 1975 referendum was implemented, the 2016 vote won't be if we remain.
If we remained without a public vote, it would be a betrayal of democracy. If a second referendum voted to Remain, surely the fresher referendum is the most valid.
On that basis, the 2016 referendum is undemocratic because it ignored the referendum of 1975. But that’s a rather silly position to take, isn’t it?
yes, a second referendum before the result of the first one is even implemented is, in my opinion, an affront to democracy and will cause untold division in the country.
I think Brexit will be a disaster but I think it's something we're going to have to go through now and doing so is the lesser of two evils.
You put forward some well thought out arguments for a second referendum, but I'm not convinced.
Holding a second referendum will ‘cause’ untold division?
A second referendum probably the best bet we actually have to unify the country.
Holding a second referendum will ‘cause’ untold division?
Looking at the current political climate, there’s so much division the only thing that can mend it is another vote. You have Tory backbencher who want to leave without a deal, there’s those who support Remain and a small % support May. You have Labour who have to tread the line between appeasing it’s traditional working class vote who voted to Leave and it’s membership who support Remain almost unanimously. You have the SNP using Brexit to justify calls for a second referendum on Scottish independence. A no deal Brexit could create a hard border between Northern Ireland and the republic which will cause all sorts of havoc and potentially a resumption of hostilities in NI — let’s not forget it hasn’t had a functioning government in nearly 2 years. There’s protesters outside parliament on the daily arguing for a second referendum and these new ‘yellow vest’ protesters outside Parliament. The country is already divided.
A second referendum probably the best bet we actually have to unify the country.
Looking at the current political climate, there’s so much division the only thing that can mend it is another vote.
The referendum in 1975? The one for the common market?On that basis, the 2016 referendum is undemocratic because it ignored the referendum of 1975. But that’s a rather silly position to take, isn’t it?
yes, a second referendum before the result of the first one is even implemented is, in my opinion, an affront to democracy and will cause untold division in the country.
I think Brexit will be a disaster but I think it's something we're going to have to go through now and doing so is the lesser of two evils.
You put forward some well thought out arguments for a second referendum, but I'm not convinced.
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