The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (80 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

Shocked defeat was by so much. I was so wrong thinking the MPs would suck up her deal in the end but I guess it was so bad and unclear no one could take it.

I'm hoping we just leave without a deal and then build up a deal in stages from a position of strength.

I am very dissapointed by the politicians they are still playing party politics when now they should present a united front to the EU and take no more shit!

how on earth will leaving with no deal and being the only country in the world without a trade deal be a position of strength?
It's not just about the EU other vultures are circling, position of strength my arse!

 

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[Sick Boy]

I wonder if Sinn Fein are tempted

No way would that happen

 

[Otis]

The worry would be who comes next.

Usually, they end up with a compromise candidate, but who the hell would be considered suitable for both sides in the Tory Party?

Gove?!??!?!?

Arggggggggghhhhhhhhh!!!!!

 

[skybluetony176]

The worry would be who comes next.

Usually, they end up with a compromise candidate, but who the hell would be considered suitable for both sides in the Tory Party?

Gove?!??!?!?

Gove would be most likely and compared to some of the alternatives I’d probably be relieved if it was. Never thought I’d ever hear myself say that.

 

[martcov]

How on earth can she retain her position? She should be gone by the morning.

She has to face the vote of no confidence which she will probably win.

 

[martcov]

Grendel and Tony, and Astute and mart are going to face off in naked wrestling matches in front of an open fire.

Just looking at my gut... not a pretty sight..

 

[Ian1779]

I think Thatcher tabled a number of no confidence motions in Labour government before she got one to stick.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

The worry would be who comes next.

Usually, they end up with a compromise candidate, but who the hell would be considered suitable for both sides in the Tory Party?

Gove?!??!?!?

I imagine that the next Tory leader would be a Brexiteer as the Tory membership now favours a no deal Brexit. Gove and Johnson probably ought to be the frontrunners, or Rees-Mogg should he decide to run.

The Tories are divided now, a ‘heroic’ Brexiteer willing to actually go through with a no deal Brexit would split them totally. Ironically, that outcome would be the best thing for the Labour Party and Remainers.

In 2016, May was a good bet to unify the Tory Party, but she’s utterly failed and her position is untenable. To me, it’s a matter of when, not if she’s ousted.

 

[Otis]

I imagine that the next Tory leader would be a Brexiteer as the Tory membership now favours a no deal Brexit. Gove and Johnson probably ought to be the frontrunners, or Rees-Mogg should he decide to run.

The Tories are divided now, a ‘heroic’ Brexiteer willing to actually go through with a no deal Brexit would split them totally. Ironically, that outcome would be the best thing for the Labour Party and Remainers.

In 2016, May was a good bet to unify the Tory Party, but she’s utterly failed and her position is untenable. To me, it’s a matter of when, not if she’s ousted.

She's been a disaster and not even supported by a large section of her own party.

 

[Sick Boy]

I imagine that the next Tory leader would be a Brexiteer as the Tory membership now favours a no deal Brexit. Gove and Johnson probably ought to be the frontrunners, or Rees-Mogg should he decide to run.

The Tories are divided now, a ‘heroic’ Brexiteer willing to actually go through with a no deal Brexit would split them totally. Ironically, that outcome would be the best thing for the Labour Party and Remainers.

In 2016, May was a good bet to unify the Tory Party, but she’s utterly failed and her position is untenable. To me, it’s a matter of when, not if she’s ousted.

There’s no way JRM would get the support within his party.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Whatever happens the Tories that voted to get rid of her in December but back her tomorrow look like massive hypocrites.

 

[Ashdown]

Can I just suggest, May is a useless fucking Remainer, Corbyn is just an opportunist traitor and there are no other options, so what's the answer .,,.. The UK is a calamity, rudderless with no direction at all..... Still all the dickheads in the country reckon there is room for half the planet so let the rot continue....

 

[Grendel]

I imagine that the next Tory leader would be a Brexiteer as the Tory membership now favours a no deal Brexit. Gove and Johnson probably ought to be the frontrunners, or Rees-Mogg should he decide to run.

The Tories are divided now, a ‘heroic’ Brexiteer willing to actually go through with a no deal Brexit would split them totally. Ironically, that outcome would be the best thing for the Labour Party and Remainers.

In 2016, May was a good bet to unify the Tory Party, but she’s utterly failed and her position is untenable. To me, it’s a matter of when, not if she’s ousted.

According to you they’ll lose the vote tomorrow anyway in the balance of probabilities

 

[Grendel]

Whatever happens the Tories that voted to get rid of her in December but back her tomorrow look like massive hypocrites.

No they don’t - and if you do the maths they haven’t

 

[Grendel]

She's been a disaster and not even supported by a large section of her own party.

She will be tomorrow

 

[Grendel]

There’s no way JRM would get the support within his party.

He is clueless

 

[Ian1779]

She will be tomorrow

Party interests before country...

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Still all the dickheads in the country reckon there is room for half the planet so let the rot continue....

And some dickheads continue to make nonsensical gibbering statements of rubbish...

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

According to you they’ll lose the vote tomorrow anyway in the balance of probabilities

The Government has said its their deal or no deal and has promptly said no deal is not Government policy. That was the condition under which a few mentioned Tories would break ranks.

The facts have changed, therefore, my opinion has too.

 

[skybluetony176]

I wasn’t even convinced that her government would lose a vote of no confidence until Grendull started confidently predicting she’ll win.

 

[CCFCSteve]

How will a GE sort out this mess ?

Likely hung parliament. Im not a fan of polls but one at the weekend had Tories 6 points up - I presume that may have be partially caused by public perception of Corbyn politicising Brexit.

A majority of the public and business just want parliament to get on with it. They’re an embarrassment.

One of the extremes sides (No Deal Brexiteers or Cancel Brexit Remainers) could well end up with their worst case scenario now. Got a feeling it will be the No Deal Brexiteers with a softer brexit and/or no brexit now becoming more likely.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

How will a GE sort out this mess ?

Likely hung parliament. Im not a fan of polls but one at the weekend had Tories 6 points up - I presume that may have be partially caused by public perception of Corbyn politicising Brexit.

A majority of the public and business just want parliament to get on with it. They’re an embarrassment.

One of the extremes sides (No Deal Brexiteers or Cancel Brexit Remainers) could well end up with their worst case scenario now. Got a feeling it will be the No Deal Brexiteers with a softer brexit and/or no brexit now becoming more likely.

Inclined to agree. Trouble is I believe that turning back will mean we will be steamrolled on many many EU issues moving forward. Not a good thing imo.

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[Grendel]

I think Thatcher tabled a number of no confidence motions in Labour government before she got one to stick.

The only one she won was by one vote because a terminally ill labour mp couldn’t get there

 

[Otis]

Party interests before country...

Exactly.

 

[Ian1779]

How will a GE sort out this mess ?

Likely hung parliament. Im not a fan of polls but one at the weekend had Tories 6 points up - I presume that may have be partially caused by public perception of Corbyn politicising Brexit.

A majority of the public and business just want parliament to get on with it. They’re an embarrassment.

One of the extremes sides (No Deal Brexiteers or Cancel Brexit Remainers) could well end up with their worst case scenario now. Got a feeling it will be the No Deal Brexiteers with a softer brexit and/or no brexit now becoming more likely.

On the polls - every polling organisation has Labour ahead or level except You Gov (created and sponsored by the Tories) which is where that poll came from.

I believe that in a GE - Labour would probably be the largest party but not enough for a majority. That would probably see a Lab/SNP\PLC/Grn coalition - and in the short term a delay in Brexit. I do think Corbyn will push for the result to be respected though.

PV only really comes into play for Labour if they can’t dislodge the government.

 

[Ian1779]

The only one she won was by one vote because a terminally ill labour mp couldn’t get there

Still won and opened the door to 18 years of Tory rule... unless you’re saying you wish she lost it...

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

There’s no way JRM would get the support within his party.

He’s very popular with the membership, but since he’s adamant he wouldn’t run, the point is neither here nor there.

 

[Nick]

Have Tesco's got bread left?

 

[Sick Boy]

He’s very popular with the membership, but since he’s adamant he wouldn’t run, the point is neither here nor there.

That may well be the case but not within his own party. How anyone could contemplate voting for a man who would be opposed to abortion in cases of rape.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

That may well be the case but not within his own party. How anyone could contemplate voting for a man who would be opposed to abortion in cases of rape.

When I seen his position on that, I thought any hope he had of a leadership challenge were finished. The Tory membership certainly don’t seem phased by these positions.

There’s a reason I listed Gove and Boris Johnson before JRM...

 

[Ashdown]

And some dickheads continue to make nonsensical gibbering statements of rubbish...

If fat useless cunts like you stopped eating for 5 , that would help you hypocrital twat !

 

[CCFCSteve]

On the polls - every polling organisation has Labour ahead or level except You Gov (created and sponsored by the Tories) which is where that poll came from.

I believe that in a GE - Labour would probably be the largest party but not enough for a majority. That would probably see a Lab/SNP\PLC/Grn coalition - and in the short term a delay in Brexit. I do think Corbyn will push for the result to be respected though.

PV only really comes into play for Labour if they can’t dislodge the government.

As I said Ian, hung parliament (not Tory win even if they are leading in one poll - appreciate most have a biase !)

The public have no faith in Corbyn. If a decent/competent centre left leader was in charge Labour would win by a landslide ! Whilst most are slating May (I’m not fan but she’s been dealt a shit hand) she’s still usually miles ahead of Corbyn in head to head polling and considering the shambles she has made of negoations tht says all you need to know

Corbyn in charge is not the answer. PV (lets call it what it is though, Second referendum) is now more likely as parliament is a joke. Self interests, no compromise

 

[Grendel]

Still won and opened the door to 18 years of Tory rule... unless you’re saying you wish she lost it...

Well clearly no

 

[Deleted member 5849]

If fat useless cunts like you stopped eating for 5 , that would help you hypocrital twat !

Does it make you feel good spewing out random bile and hate? Does it make up for your inadequacies as a member of the human race?

 

[shmmeee]

Also, since when did a hi vis become known as a yellow vest?

Since a bunch of proud patriots nicked the idea off the French (yellow vest is the literal translation of their name).