Sky Blue Pete
Well-Known Member
Serious?
Serious?Can I just suggest, May is a useless fucking Remainer, Corbyn is just an opportunist traitor and there are no other options, so what's the answer .,,.. The UK is a calamity, rudderless with no direction at all..... Still all the dickheads in the country reckon there is room for half the planet so let the rot continue....
I have felt sorry for her in many ways, but she does seem to be spectacularly inflexible.
The public have no faith in Corbyn. If a decent/competent centre left leader was in charge Labour would win by a landslide ! Whilst most are slating May (I’m not fan but she’s been dealt a shit hand) she’s still usually miles ahead of Corbyn in head to head polling and considering the shambles she has made of negoations tht says all you need to know.
As I said Ian, hung parliament (not Tory win even if they are leading in one poll - appreciate most have a biase !)
The public have no faith in Corbyn. If a decent/competent centre left leader was in charge Labour would win by a landslide ! Whilst most are slating May (I’m not fan but she’s been dealt a shit hand) she’s still usually miles ahead of Corbyn in head to head polling and considering the shambles she has made of negoations tht says all you need to know
Corbyn in charge is not the answer. PV (lets call it what it is though, Second referendum) is now more likely as parliament is a joke. Self interests, no compromise
Centre left is where a majority of the country are ian. Corbyn will never win a majority I’m afraid. It’s auch a shame but we need to face historical factsIf Labour had a centre left leader in 2017, then we would have a Tory majority government now. The era of centrist Blairite leaders for Labour is over. Blair put pay to that by being Thatchers greatest creation. Umunna and that ilk represent smooth taking bullshitters in the game for their own personal gain, and 500K think tanks on the side.
Cooper abstained on welfare sanctions and austerity measures... not exactly socialist is it?
Don’t forget the Lib Dem’s polling at 7%. Yet you fall for the diatribe spewed out by the media.
Corbyn may not be the one to lead Labour into the future long term (I personally believe he is) - but the reality that people want change... they’re sick of rising inequality, cruel austerity and the Tories lining the pockets of the super-rich whilst everyone else suffers like they are now.
Yep. I admired what she tried to do but lost every ounce of sympathy by delaying the vote for a monthMay is the women who when home Secretary told police chiefs they were being drama queens when they said cuts to police numbers would lead to terror attacks and an increase in crime.
This is the women responsible for the Windrush scandal and who threw one of her most loyal supporters, Amber Rudd under the bus at a time when Rudds father was termonally Ill.
This is a woman who took advantage of the splits in her party to duplicitously manouevre herself into number 10 so she knew full well what the job entailed.
Save your sympathy for some one who deserves it mate, one of the many victims of Tory austerity for example.
Centre left is where a majority of the country are ian. Corbyn will never win a majority I’m afraid. It’s auch a shame but we need to face historical facts
I respectfully disagree - 2017 suggests that transformative policies are popular because it represent change with the London centric funding culture of the last 40 years.
I’m up for it
Does it make you feel good spewing out random bile and hate? Does it make up for your inadequacies as a member of the human race?
Actually I’m more than up for it. Let’s double the stake
I think what Labour needs is someone to reach out to both factions and unite them with a manifesto pitched between the centrists and where the party is now, (I personally liken JC but he's not going to do it).
The Tories have the same problem and finding that unifying figure isn't easy.
Sadly for Labour they had such a man but he passed away suddenly and hasn't been replaced.
The centrists IMO don’t want to be reached out to. The Labour manifesto was the best thing to come out of the party for 15 years, and they sadly won’t subscribe to it. It’s not in keeping with the Blair’s neo-liberal way.
Also worth pointing out that across Europe every centre-left/centrist political party is dying on its arse because they represent more of the same - keeping the establishment established.
"The centrists don't want to be reached out to".
Unfortunately I think you're correct, though they'd probably say the same about the left of the party.
I think what Labour needs is someone to reach out to both factions and unite them with a manifesto pitched between the centrists and where the party is now, (I personally liken JC but he's not going to do it).
The Tories have the same problem and finding that unifying figure isn't easy.
Sadly for Labour they had such a man but he passed away suddenly and hasn't been replaced.
I disagree, populism is in the rise and Corbyn was is in line with public opinion on a few issues. Namely on taxation and nationalisation, where the public is generally left wing. Labour’s strategy in 2015 was totally flawed because it basically offered diluted Toryism and was debating on Tory ground, such as deficit reduction. Frankly, a left wing Labour Party has, at the very least, shifted the parameters of debate more to the left.
Besides, the 2017 election has cemented Corbyn’s position as leader since Labour performed well above expectations and won a few seats it typically only wins when it wins an election (Leamington and North Warks and a seat in Plymouth) and seats it usually wouldn’t have a hope in winning (Kensington & Chelsea and Canterbury, the latter has been a seat since the 14th century and has never voted Labour before 2017).
I actually think you are that clueless fuckwit Owen Jones
I actually think you are that clueless fuckwit Owen Jones
Am I coming across as drunk ?? Oops hicFairly sure he claims to be a practising Christian.
He should practice a bit harder. Maybe Sky blue Pete can give him some lessons when he sobers up.
It’s a fair point looking around Europe but they are being replaced with piopulisn of the worst kindThe centrists IMO don’t want to be reached out to. The Labour manifesto was the best thing to come out of the party for 15 years, and they sadly won’t subscribe to it. It’s not in keeping with the Blair’s neo-liberal way.
Also worth pointing out that across Europe every centre-left/centrist political party is dying on its arse because they represent more of the same - keeping the establishment established.
Probably correct - but which ‘side’ is going to address the massive under investment in the NHS, Education, Welfare etc?
I actually think you are that clueless fuckwit Owen Jones
I’ll assume your May comment on the NHS is tongue in cheek?!
Double digit lead is simply nonsense. According to the polling you refer to he clawed back a 20% deficit. And you think he couldn’t do something even half the size of that from an even keel if we had another GE?
The country is torn in 2 on Brexit, no leader for any party would have a decisive lead in this era. And their is no historical reference point, so comments like yours have literally no basis to support them.
The day Labour put in a centre leaning leader is they day the descend towards eventual oblivion.
On the polls - every polling organisation has Labour ahead or level except You Gov (created and sponsored by the Tories) which is where that poll came from.
I believe that in a GE - Labour would probably be the largest party but not enough for a majority. That would probably see a Lab/SNP\PLC/Grn coalition - and in the short term a delay in Brexit. I do think Corbyn will push for the result to be respected though.
PV only really comes into play for Labour if they can’t dislodge the government.
Serious?
If Labour had a centre left leader in 2017, then we would have a Tory majority government now. The era of centrist Blairite leaders for Labour is over. Blair put pay to that by being Thatchers greatest creation. Umunna and that ilk represent smooth taking bullshitters in the game for their own personal gain, and 500K think tanks on the side.
Cooper abstained on welfare sanctions and austerity measures... not exactly socialist is it?
Don’t forget the Lib Dem’s polling at 7%. Yet you fall for the diatribe spewed out by the media.
Corbyn may not be the one to lead Labour into the future long term (I personally believe he is) - but the reality that people want change... they’re sick of rising inequality, cruel austerity and the Tories lining the pockets of the super-rich whilst everyone else suffers like they are now.
I can't believe that so many don't understand what is going on.Whatever happens the Tories that voted to get rid of her in December but back her tomorrow look like massive hypocrites.
She has been playing for time. And she has done very well out of running the clock down.And you think they are?
May HAS to go. She should stand down now. She persisted and persisted with a deal that no-one wanted and even had the gall to delay the vote, wasting valuable time even though she knew she would eventually lose.
She should stand down now with immediate effect. She has failed the country and failed her own government.
Palimentarians have united in hijacking the result of the referendum. Leave means leave. I did not anticipate making deals and having terms laid down by thebrussels eliete telling us what we can and can't do. Just bloody leave. Stand tall as a country. We are more than big enough and will be very successful on our own. The EU is not the prize it was dreamt up to be and never will be. They want a federal state with one currency, one army, one government. The UK will disappear as will France, Germany etc. Edward Heath was the instigator and traitor to our country signing us away back in the 70's and keeping the real reasons and future plans from the public.
Why listen to an expert though?Despite the general opinion we will be a lot worse off under a no deal scenario?
I wonder what would have happened if the campaign for the referendum had been based on a no deal at all scenario. Surely the vote would have been to remain, because you would have MP after MP and party after party and business leader after business leader and financial expert after financial expert pretty much all saying that a no deal scenario outcome would be very bad and damaging to the country and to the economy.
Maybe that should have been on the ballot paper
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