Otis
Well-Known Member
Now that IS s tough one. No idea how you word it, but I don't think you can have too many options on the ballot paper, it would be too confusing.
Think I will leave that to the experts.
Now that IS s tough one. No idea how you word it, but I don't think you can have too many options on the ballot paper, it would be too confusing.So what’s the question on the ballot paper then?
So what’s the question on the ballot paper then?
You can't just have leave/remain.The question should be the same as last time, after all Remainers have been telling us that people are allowed to change their minds.
If that’s the case, just ask the same question again.
But the problem with that is that Leave would probably win, so they will need to prevent that by putting May’s shocking deal up against Remain. Job done.
You gotta laugh, stinks doesn’t it.
problem is you go past leave or remain and try and qualify the questions then less likely to have a clear majority. (ie over 50%).You can't just have leave/remain.
If it results in leave we are just back to where we are now.
Needs to be more specific.
Guess it depends how you do it. Implicitly leave = May's deal (or no deal) really, doesn't it? So you could have a straightforward yes or no - but I assume legally you'd have to incorporate that into the question.problem is you go past leave or remain and try and qualify the questions then less likely to have a clear majority. (ie over 50%).
I'd LOL if leave won again in a second ref
Would be moaning for a third one then
Would have thought most of the 17.4m who voted to leave No deal assumed the 2 main parties would honour their commitment to respect the referendum and subsequent manifesto promises from 2017 election to work to deliver an acceptable leave deal.
You can't just have leave/remain.
If it results in leave we are just back to where we are now.
Needs to be more specific.
sorry that was a typo. No Deal was part of a second sentence that wasn't completedThere is zero evidence that most of the 17.4M voted for no deal, none at all.
Neither is TM!Luckily you are nowhere near power.
13.03 Barnier..."I would like to simply recall to everybody : if the United Kingdom still wants to leave the European Union and leave it in an orderly fashion, then this treaty that we negotiated with Theresa May's government over the past year and a half remains the only treaty available."
So, the deal cannot be changed. JC is blowing smoke out of his ass, & misleading people if he is to persist with his alternative deal & saying he will go back to the EU with it. Unless we think Barnier is lying.
So, TM is right to put it back to Parliament - we have to accept the deal or just leave, or just ignore the 17.4m majority vote & stay & get steamrollered by the EU idealists.
At the moment I am thinking it is all such a mess, simply stucking to 29th March 'we leave' is the best plan. Deal or no deal. Then if the EU want a deal, maybe they will need to reconsider the deal together with us.
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You can't just have leave/remain.
If it results in leave we are just back to where we are now.
Needs to be more specific.
sorry that was a typo. No Deal was part of a second sentence that wasn't completed
Would have thought most of the 17.4m who voted to leave assumed the 2 main parties would honour their commitment to respect the referendum and subsequent manifesto promises from 2017 election to work to deliver an acceptable leave deal.
Do you seriously imagine that once the 2016 leave vote gets overturned, as it inevitably will, that'll be the end of it?
It's a certainty that the whole thing will start again but by then there'll be a leave majority of MPs and things will turn out differently.
sorry that was a typo. No Deal was part of a second sentence that wasn't completed
Would have thought most of the 17.4m who voted to leave assumed the 2 main parties would honour their commitment to respect the referendum and subsequent manifesto promises from 2017 election to work to deliver an acceptable leave deal.
I am sure a lot of them also believed the leading leavers that the UK could continue to enjoy the beneficial aspects of the single market without being in it. Then again Farage also kept going on about the Norway option which would have meant staying the Single Market.
That's what nobody explained at the time.How do you get an acceptable leave deal when leavers support/ want different versions of possible leave deals and half the country doesn’t want to leave anyway? Not possible.
That's what nobody explained at the time.
Have to accept at the time over half wanted to leave.
Don't think anybody foresaw how divisively the leave camp was going to be split. Let's be honest go through that process again and May would never have been elected to replace cameron anyway.
Opinion polls as to where it stands atm have to be taken with caution as pre-referendum remain was ahead and the last General election polls were not particularly accurate. It was the don't knows that swayed it. Enough of those atm that could push the result in either direction. As many "Brexit no deal supporters" as those "remain supporters until we can get a good deal"? Simple leave or remain polls are misleading as they lack sufficient detail
Let's face it the most damning polls atm are the ones about whether Parliament is doing a good job on this issue
Lot of people just tired of it atm due to lack of a clear direction and want it to go away. Harsh but true.
How do we get through a 2nd referendum campaign which can be clearly understood by all voters? Who is going to objectively simplify the 580 odd page deal that the EU are prepared to offer? Do most voters understand what a Norway deal even is?
Election not the answer as have to figure constituencies with strong feelings either away are going to replace candidates that went against the particular wishes of constituents - possibly increasing the ERG which no-one wants. Are parties really brave enough to deal with backlash from those who voted to leave bring ignored? Why isn't the one proper remain party LibDems picking up supporters?
Can't help thinking Benn-Letwin amendment is about 3 years too later than it could have doneTo sum up: we’re up shit creek. Anyone got a paddle?
Which is what I have been saying for ages. Yet I was supposed to be anti Labour for saying so.
He has been forced into a corner. Yet he seems to have put what he wants before what is best.
Considering the piss poor progress the Tory cunts have made in nearly 3 years, I don't think 4 is long enoughOmg part XXVI
Eurocunts.
fiddling while Rome burns. Corbyn deluded if he thinks his alternative plan will be accepted by enough MPs and then through a public vote or by EU leaders.Watching C4 news and Parliament are just detached from reality. Especially the government but not exclusively.
BBC said:Eight cabinet ministers voted against the government motion to extend Article 50, including Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay, who spoke on behalf of the government during the debate.
What?!? Just, what?!?
What?!? Just, what?!?
Tell you what, but if this is a taste of things to come when we take back control, God help us!
There is zero evidence that most of the 17.4M voted for no deal, none at all.
There is/was so much spin from both sides before the vote that you can accuse all of them to spin the truth and pluck magic numbers from the air to sway people to their view point. But previous years of media hype and a discruntled pubilc, I would argue you can boil it down to three main factors that the 17.4M were most likely to be annoyed about:.....
No way have all leavers got what they think they voted for. Just look at the insults May gets from leavers, including Farage himself.....
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