Astute
Well-Known Member
Why a no deal?
Parliament doesn't want it. The EU doesn't want it. And unless we get another referendum it won't happen. And there wouldn't be another referendum that quickly.
Why a no deal?I was responding to leaving without a deal
I can’t see anything other than a no deal at 12/4 or an extension to article 50
Corbyn wants a GE. Quite simple really.Can someone explain to me why labours position is to vote down the withdrawal agreement as they want a customs union, yet one of the options to be negotiated during the transition period could be a customs union ? I’d imagine to ensure the backstop could be exited quickly this is a highly likely solution but why tie our hands before the negotiations even start ?
The whole thing is a farce. Too many people with too entrenched views not willing to budge
Can someone explain to me why labours position is to vote down the withdrawal agreement as they want a customs union, yet one of the options to be negotiated during the transition period could be a customs union ? I’d imagine to ensure the backstop could be exited quickly this is a highly likely solution but why tie our hands before the negotiations even start ?
The whole thing is a farce. Too many people with too entrenched views not willing to budge
My point is they’re at the extreme ends of the argument and don’t want to listen or accept anyone’s point of view from the opposite side of the argument
That is why they are the problem not part of the potential solution. O’Brien’s condescending, all voters who voted out are thick or were conned approach, only leads to further division. Why not accept some of the reasons why people voted that way and address their concerns ? His attitude and that of many of the political class is why we are in this mess in the first place !
I'm glad that everyone on the side of remain talks sense and only talks the truth......I know what you mean. But in his case he does try to point out the facts. It is true that the leavers come out with some amazing things, which are not true and he does come across as condescending. But e.g. when a guy says he voted leave partly because 3 pinned plugs aren’t allowed in the EU.. whilst we are in the EU and have 3 pinned plugs.. it can be difficult not to be condescending, or at least to appear so.
Thanks for clarifying.
At least you can still agree with what I have been saying. Another referendum isn't going to settle things. There are still going to be millions unhappy whatever. And then it will still be to parliament to sort out the details. And who trusts them to be able to solve anything?
Representative democracy. It’s their job
No deal will happen on 12/4 if nothing is agreedWhy a no deal?
Parliament doesn't want it. The EU doesn't want it. And unless we get another referendum it won't happen. And there wouldn't be another referendum that quickly.
Us and we get to vote every 5 yearsWorking out well though isn’t it ?! It’s their job to try to find a sensible solution to this mess.
Also representing who ?
Ps Ive not heard why but Bercow wouldn’t allow a labour amendment suggesting MPs sign off trade agreement/relationship with the EU, which the government would’ve supported. A sensible amendment that may have brought us closer to a solution blocked.
Bercow wants remain and nothing else. He knows what has a chance of going through and what doesn't. And once something is voted in favour of it will be hard to stop it from happening.Working out well though isn’t it ?! It’s their job to try to find a sensible solution to this mess.
Also representing who ?
Ps Ive not heard why but Bercow wouldn’t allow a labour amendment suggesting MPs sign off trade agreement/relationship with the EU, which the government would’ve supported. A sensible amendment that may have brought us closer to a solution blocked.
No deal won't happen.No deal will happen on 12/4 if nothing is agreed
Do you have a crystal ball? What solutions do you think will happen when May keeps trying to get the same deal through? If I were the Eu I’d say ok enough is enough it’ll affect us but we have 27 countries you are just one and it will affect you moreNo deal won't happen.
Can’t see an alternative.
Is there a way of those wanting to leave leaving and those wanting to remain remaining?
And if it came back as leave without a deal?
Leave without a deal to get it over with has had the highest agree with in polls. I wouldn't be happy with it.
As you know I have called it correctly so far. Like a couple of weeks ago when even the rags said it was either May deal or no deal.Do you have a crystal ball? What solutions do you think will happen when May keeps trying to get the same deal through? If I were the Eu I’d say ok enough is enough it’ll affect us but we have 27 countries you are just one and it will affect you more
I had to laugh this mornimg. Some lady on R5live saying she would vote differently if there was a 2nd referendum. Apparently she is a remainer...but didn't want the result to be overwhelmingly in favour of remaining...so she voted leave & was aghast when she woke & saw the result!I'm glad that everyone on the side of remain talks sense and only talks the truth......
I have tried to explain but some don't want to listen.I thought you were a ‘will of the people’ kind of guy?
We had the armed escorts. But everyone has guns down there. Ready for when Russia invades again according to the locals.He has a bullet proof vest and an escort. Doesn’t help against bombs though.
Us and we get to vote every 5 years
They stood on much more than brexitThat’s the standard line Pete. My point being Im not sure they are representative of the public. Both main parties campaigned/stood on manestos yet a number of MPs across the house are openly working against what they contained
And we have found out what they are like because of Brexit if we already didn't know.They stood on much more than brexit
I'm glad that everyone on the side of remain talks sense and only talks the truth......
That’s the standard line Pete. My point being Im not sure they are representative of the public. Both main parties campaigned/stood on manestos yet a number of MPs across the house are openly working against what they contained
Is it right though? It doesn't make what has been said to be true just because you agree with them. Many on both sides have been talking shite trying to make a point. I know what has been said to myself and I am on the side of remain. I am not supposed to say anything that shows both sides to be as bad as each other. Brexit has brought out the worse in a lot of people.Luckily most do. Not all. A higher proportion than leavers though.
The Conservatives said they would get a deal within 2 years.
The Tories lie. Just like most politicians. They say they will do one thing then frequently do the opposite.The Conservatives said they would get a deal within 2 years.
If that's your critisism then I think you should save it for the people who have lied time and time again, with regard to respecting the result of the referendum. Same people who lied about scrapping student loans.The Tories lie. Just like most politicians. They say they will do one thing then frequently do the opposite.
They are supposed to stand for their constituents. But it hasn't happened.
To be fair they agreed the deal in the timeframe ! Just can’t get it through Parliament !
My point though was that MPs from all sides haven’t delivered (and I believe many never intended to) on their manifesto pledges regarding Brexit. At least some have now had the balls to leave their respective parties....although this really should’ve happened before the last general election
They’ve let the country down
He's an odd little fellow Bercow, he (whilst saying he is impartial) has so many 'tells' that he just can't help but give the game away that he is anything but. I have already emailed the Oxford Dictionary to request the word 'smugnorant' be added to next years print in his honor. smugnorant.....adjective.....1. John Bercow.Bercow wants remain and nothing else. He knows what has a chance of going through and what doesn't. And once something is voted in favour of it will be hard to stop it from happening.
Most politicians lie like I said. Would you like to state that isn't true?If that's your critisism then I think you should save it for the people who have lied time and time again, with regard to respecting the result of the referendum. Same people who lied about scrapping student loans.
I'm of the opinion that they are all sneaky disingenuous little twats, using the cloak of incompetence to further personal, political agendas and we must put a stop to it by way of revolution.Or saved it through their incompetence depending on your point of view.
Liars, snakes and cowards but also a very odd looking bunch, a bit 'carnival sideshow' or League Of Gentlemen.Liars , snakes and cowards .
Liars , snakes and cowards .
Liars , snakes and cowards .
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