The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (5 Viewers)

[Sick Boy]

May had an almost unprecedented share of the vote didn’t she?

Only you could try and spin it into a success haha!

 

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[dutchman]

 

[Sick Boy]

Oh well, as we were told the UK held all of the cards in the negotiations, I expect it’ll all change soon - ha ha ha

 

[covmark]

Oh well, as we were told the UK held all of the cards in the negotiations, I expect it’ll all change soon - ha ha ha

We are never going to leave mate. You've probably done the right thing, in moving yourself away. Because I can see this ending up in a general election. One that May could lose. A government with Diane Abbott in the cabinet?? You're better off out of here my friend.

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[Mucca Mad Boys]

May had an almost unprecedented share of the vote didn’t she?

Unprecedented? No, but the difference is more 42%+ in recent times would guarantee a pretty comprehensive majority. So to get 42.4% and lose seats is pretty bad.

But, both the main parties shared 80%+ of the vote share for the first time since 1970. In modern times, that is unprecedented.

My point was addressing this idea that Labour is only popular amongst ‘hardcore’ Labour voters, which isn’t true from an objective stance. Labour performed well in some key marginals, in Plymouth and Leamington, for example. Even won in places like Canterbury which had never voted Labour (Canterbury has had representation in the Commons since 1300). But lost 2-3 safe seats to the Tories in Stoke-on-Trent Central, a seat in Mansfield and maybe a safe seat in Walsall (could be wrong on that one). Labour made a net gain on the Conservatives.

 

[skybluetony176]

Unprecedented? No, but the difference is more 42%+ in recent times would guarantee a pretty comprehensive majority. So to get 42.4% and lose seats is pretty bad.

But, both the main parties shared 80%+ of the vote share for the first time since 1970. In modern times, that is unprecedented.

My point was addressing this idea that Labour is only popular amongst ‘hardcore’ Labour voters, which isn’t true from an objective stance. Labour performed well in some key marginals, in Plymouth and Leamington, for example. Even won in places like Canterbury which had never voted Labour (Canterbury has had representation in the Commons since 1300). But lost 2-3 safe seats to the Tories in Stoke-on-Trent Central, a seat in Mansfield and maybe a safe seat in Walsall (could be wrong on that one). Labour made a net gain on the Conservatives.

If it wasn’t for the surprising Scottish vote (11 new MP’s IIRC) the Tories would have been even further up shit creek than they were/are. Can’t see that happening again though.

 

[dutchman]

Oh well, as we were told the UK held all of the cards in the negotiations, I expect it’ll all change soon - ha ha ha

There's no point in holding all the cards if you don't know how to play them.

 

[martcov]

There's no point in holding all the cards if you don't know how to play them.

Well you usually play cards to win something. Playing to be in a worse position than you are is pretty unusal.

Now the EU have granted us more time to sort ourselves out. We leave the same time as bogey man Juncker, 31. October. If not before.

 

[Astute]

People said that in 2017 and Labour increased its vote and seat share.

Any other time Labour would have a runaway lead. Labour normally does well between GE's. On top of this you have the Tories in turmoil. You have the Tories taking us out of the EU when some say the majority now want to remain.

So why is it still close between the Tories and Labour?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Any other time Labour would have a runaway lead. Labour normally does well between GE's. On top of this you have the Tories in turmoil. You have the Tories taking us out of the EU when some say the majority now want to remain.

So why is it still close between the Tories and Labour?

You’ve argued that Labour’s support is only limit to hardcore support. By your logic, 40% of voters are hardcore Labour.

I like to use polls as they’re helpful, but ultimately, but haven’t been able to predict the outcomes of the last 3 elections. The Tories polled at 20% and more ahead of Labour before the 2017 election campaign yet won by a margin of 2.4%.

Even the most experienced pollsters like Sir John Curtice are on record recommending Governments shouldn’t call elections based on polls.

 

[skybluetony176]

31st of October it is then. Maybe.

 

[skybluetony176]

We are never going to leave mate. You've probably done the right thing, in moving yourself away. Because I can see this ending up in a general election. One that May could lose. A government with Diane Abbott in the cabinet?? You're better off out of here my friend.

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Ah. Brexits legacy. Diane Abbott in government. Someone should have put that on the side of a bus. We have Liam Fox in government, let’s have Diane Abbott instead.

 

[westcountry_skyblue]

If leave had won 99% to 1% Remain those pricks in parliament would still have managed to do what they’re doing now
There’s no such thing as democracy end of.
It’s us v the establishment,Whether your on the right or left.
I’ll never vote again!!!

 

[Astute]

You’ve argued that Labour’s support is only limit to hardcore support. By your logic, 40% of voters are hardcore Labour.

Did I?

Tories will lose votes but Labour won't lose many at all. Labour doesn't have much more than the hard core Labour voters presently. Corbyn as leader hasn't got many floating voters on Labour's side. If he had Labour would be running away with it. But the longer this bullshit goes on for the more the Tory voters will desert them.

So you have seen a poll that gives Labour 40%? As you say you can't trust polls. But you base a post on polls and change what someone says to make a point.

Labour takes poll lead as Tory support plummets by nine points amid Brexit chaos

 

[fernandopartridge]

I’ll never vote again!!!

There's always an upside

 

[Ian1779]

We are never going to leave mate. You've probably done the right thing, in moving yourself away. Because I can see this ending up in a general election. One that May could lose. A government with Diane Abbott in the cabinet?? You're better off out of here my friend.

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Say what you want about Abbott’s capabilities as a front bencher, but at least she’s not a nasty c*nt like IDS or McVey...

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Some interesting Eu polls. May gonna be embarrassed

 

[Grendel]

Some interesting Eu polls. May gonna be embarrassed

Not really with 45% effectively an anti brexit alliance of right wing parties

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

If leave had won 99% to 1% Remain those pricks in parliament would still have managed to do what they’re doing now
There’s no such thing as democracy end of.
It’s us v the establishment,Whether your on the right or left.
I’ll never vote again!!!

Farage and Johnson and Gove and Fox and Davies are all part of the elite. Stop being an arse

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Not really with 45% effectively an anti brexit alliance of right wing parties

Low 20% will be her share = embarrassment

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Any other time Labour would have a runaway lead. Labour normally does well between GE's. On top of this you have the Tories in turmoil. You have the Tories taking us out of the EU when some say the majority now want to remain.

So why is it still close between the Tories and Labour?

Many many people are greedy bastards and don’t want the sort of redistribution of wealth that Corbyn advocates even though we say we are against the establishment

 

[Ashdown]

I'm so excited this is all going to drag on another 6 months.

 

[martcov]

If leave had won 99% to 1% Remain those pricks in parliament would still have managed to do what they’re doing now
There’s no such thing as democracy end of.
It’s us v the establishment,Whether your on the right or left.
I’ll never vote again!!!

You are confirming that Brexit is undeliverable, no matter what. Cancel the whole fiasco and let’s move on.

 

[Nick]

I reckon the media are forcing it to be extended, they would have fuck all else to talk about if there was no brexit.

 

[tisza]

Low 20% will be her share = embarrassment

so a drop of 3% from last time. Hardly a disaster.
Last 3 EU elections biggest party was around 25%.
Be an achievement if the turnout gets much past 30%. Not a barometer for a General election.
A low turnout actually a condemnation of the Remain vote. If EU so important to them then at least the turnout should be at least 16.2 m to show the value of a UK voice in an EU Parliament. Certainly strengthen the argument to Remain or at least a 2nd Referendum

 

[tisza]

I reckon the media are forcing it to be extended, they would have fuck all else to talk about if there was no brexit.

Sure they do.
Knife crime, country going to the dogs, some soap star's miraculous weight loss.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Did I?


So you have seen a poll that gives Labour 40%? As you say you can't trust polls. But you base a post on polls and change what someone says to make a point.

Labour takes poll lead as Tory support plummets by nine points amid Brexit chaos

“Labour doesn't have much more than the hard core Labour voters presently. Corbyn as leader hasn't got many floating voters on Labour's side. If he had Labour would be running away with it.”

Yes you did.

40% is not based on polls. It’s based on the 2017 general election result.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Many many people are greedy bastards and don’t want the sort of redistribution of wealth that Corbyn advocates even though we say we are against the establishment

Many people are lazy bastards and do want the sort of redistribution of wealth that Corbyn advocates.

 

[martcov]

Poll: Tories facing crushing defeat if UK holds EU elections

 

[westcountry_skyblue]

You are confirming that Brexit is undeliverable, no matter what. Cancel the whole fiasco and let’s move on.

Not saying that at all,Saying that parliament don’t want it so we’ve wasted 3 years going on about it,Was never gonna happen was it.
Waste of time having a referendum!!

 

[westcountry_skyblue]

There's always an upside

Zzzzzzzzzzz

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Not saying that at all,Saying that parliament don’t want it so we’ve wasted 3 years going on about it,Was never gonna happen was it.
Waste of time having a referendum!!

It'll happen, no doubt about it. The sore losers can only delay it, they can't stop it.

17.4m plus aren't just going to quietly go away.

 

[martcov]

Not saying that at all,Saying that parliament don’t want it so we’ve wasted 3 years going on about it,Was never gonna happen was it.
Waste of time having a referendum!!

I actually agree with you. It was a mad idea. The referendum was flawed from the word go, and Brexit was sold as easy peasy with loads of benefits immediately. We have lost billions of business, 3 years of governance, billions on government preparations for no deal and companies have wasted billions on stockpiling and storage space ( which they now have to sell and then restock again at some future date ). I am as angry as you are, although coming from a different direction.

 

[martcov]

It'll happen, no doubt about it. The sore losers can only delay it, they can't stop it.

17.4m plus aren't just going to quietly go away.

Some are through death, and others through realisation of what is going on. The lies and the broken promises are out there now.

 

[Grendel]

“Labour doesn't have much more than the hard core Labour voters presently. Corbyn as leader hasn't got many floating voters on Labour's side. If he had Labour would be running away with it.”

Yes you did.

40% is not based on polls. It’s based on the 2017 general election result.

The combination of labour and liberal or “other” parties in England has always been around the same percentage since the war. The Tory vote in most elections has a consistent share with a couple of exceptions