The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (86 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

Reading between the lines at PMQs there seems to be some possibility of a customs union becoming part of the leave arrangement

Which always had cross party consensus and therefore the consensus of Parliament. If only she’d listened two years ago instead of drawing red lines and calling I’ll advised elections it could have been so much different and strengthened her position as PM to boot.

 

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[clint van damme]

Nonsense, he wants to re-nationalise everything. If you are under 40 you probably won't understand how inefficient most nationalised industries were.

We've already nationalised the losses of the rail franchises because it's the British public that covers them.
If they make profit then that goes to the private investor and we don't see a penny..
We've also got utilities companies going into debt to pay dividends to private share holders. Time to renationalise.
You also need to bear in mind that when nationalised industries were a basket case so was British industry in general, we live in different times now.

 

[Captain Dart]

Which always had cross party consensus and therefore the consensus of Parliament. If only she’d listened two years ago instead of drawing red lines and calling I’ll advised elections it could have been so much different and strengthened her position as PM to boot.

The election was a tactic to be able to deliver something on Brexit before the next one was due, but good polls indicating a solid majority were wrong and it backfired. The strategy it turned out to be a bad one but the conditions were good, what went wrong was that the Tories had no vision of anything but Brexit & Corbyn skirted round Brexit and made many many promises which many young people naively believed he would deliver.

 

[Captain Dart]

We've already nationalised the losses of the rail franchises because it's the British public that covers them.
If they make profit then that goes to the private investor and we don't see a penny..
We've also got utilities companies going into debt to pay dividends to private share holders. Time to renationalise.
You also need to bear in mind that when nationalised industries were a basket case so was British industry in general, we live in different times now.

By basket case you of course mean heavily unionised, like the railways are.

 

[clint van damme]

By basket case you of course mean heavily unionised, like the railways are.

if you think that unionised companies operate in anything like the same way they did in the 70s you're round the twist.
This is nothing to do with unions and all to do with unscrupulous speculators like Branson and his ilk plundering the public purse.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

We've already nationalised the losses of the rail franchises because it's the British public that covers them.
If they make profit then that goes to the private investor and we don't see a penny..
We've also got utilities companies going into debt to pay dividends to private share holders. Time to renationalise.
You also need to bear in mind that when nationalised industries were a basket case so was British industry in general, we live in different times now.

Trains run on time now anyway, don't they...

What kind of competition is there for water anyway? Not like I can change my supplier. That's the worst of all worlds, a private monopoly driven by profit motive!

Having worked for both private and public enterprise, it's lazy to say public is inefficient and private is lean and mean anyway...

 

[nunchuckas]

Nonsense, he wants to re-nationalise everything. If you are under 40 you probably won't understand how inefficient most nationalised industries were.

Nationalisation is by no means 'far left' or 'communist' policy though, they are already in place in fairly 'central' countries. It only shows how right wing the UK has become when his manifesto, which would be considered right leaning in the majority of Europe, and right wing in Scandinavia, is portrayed as 'hard left' or 'communist' by the British media and the average citizen who has fallen for the narrative.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Trains not on time today as fatality between new street and international. Poor person may they rest in peace

 

[ccfc92]

Reuters just phoned and want to do a TV interview with me in Berlin about Brexit. See what happens. I am not there til tonight. Probably tomorrow or Friday.

You get around Germany a lot it seems Mart!

 

[martcov]

You get around Germany a lot it seems Mart!

Actually I do. I take part on 20 events a year, the most away from home.

 

[skybluetony176]

Maybe Teresa May has decided that she doesn’t like her job.

 

[skybluetony176]

Some interesting comments coming up on the BBC live feed

Generation X member, Steve King, has been in touch: "For 50 years, all domestic political decisions have been tested first for their affect on the baby boomers.

"Without another referendum, the baby boomers will have made their children and grandchildren poorer for the rest of their lives, without having to pay a penny themselves.

"Eventually the baby boomers will be seen to be the most spoiled and self-indulgent generation in this nation's history."

 

[shmmeee]

Some interesting comments coming up on the BBC live feed

Generation X member, Steve King, has been in touch: "For 50 years, all domestic political decisions have been tested first for their affect on the baby boomers.

"Without another referendum, the baby boomers will have made their children and grandchildren poorer for the rest of their lives, without having to pay a penny themselves.

"Eventually the baby boomers will be seen to be the most spoiled and self-indulgent generation in this nation's history."

Yep. Bunch of snowflakes.

 

[Otis]

Trains not on time today as fatality between new street and international. Poor person may they rest in peace

Yeah, just heard. Daughter's stuck in Birmingham.

 

[ccfc92]

Merkel : "Still time for negotiations between EU and Britain"

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Yeah, just heard. Daughter's stuck in Birmingham.

They were going via stechford and onto international and Coventry. She home now?

 

[Otis]

Just, thanks, Pete. Finished school at 16.15.

Just went to the station and picked her up.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Just, thanks, Pete. Finished school at 16.15.

Just went to the station and picked her up.

Bugger

 

[westcountry_skyblue]

Michael Gove just Destroyed Corbyn on sky news great viewing!!!
A must watch!!!

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Michael Gove just Destroyed Corbyn on sky news great viewing!!!
A must watch!!!

Gove is a wanker who got us in this mess with his lies and fantasy

 

[westcountry_skyblue]

Trains not on time today as fatality between new street and international. Poor person may they rest in peace

My dad was on that train was stuck from 1.30 until after 4pm as the train was a crime scene
He heard one guy jumped in front of train and another guy hurt trying to stop him at Adderley park.

 

[Grendel]

No confidence motion defeated - no one with at least one brain cell would have thought otherwise

 

[skybluetony176]

Grotbags gets another moment in the sunshine as the DUP bask in bailing out the government.

 

[Captain Dart]

Gove is a wanker who got us in this mess with his lies and fantasy

Labour MPs were very silent while he destroyed magic grandpa.

 

[Johnnythespider]

Labour MPs were very silent while he destroyed magic grandpa.

Looks like his application for the leadership to me, that and a list of sun headlines.

 

[Otis]

I find Gove slimy and disingenuous.

I hope he never gets anywhere near the prime. ministerial seat.

The whole thing is a mess and May should stand down. Humiliation for her yesterday in the deal vote.

Needs someone else at the helm.

Obviously not Gove though.

 

[Captain Dart]

Looks like his application for the leadership to me, that and a list of sun headlines.

Mere speculation, next Tory leader has to be from younger generation, someone with vision.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I find Gove slimy and disingenuous.

I hope he never gets anywhere near the prime. ministerial seat.

The whole thing is a mess and May should stand down. Humiliation for her yesterday in the deal vote.

Needs someone else at the helm.

Obviously not Gove though.

Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Davies, Raab, Fox... can barely wait.

(FWIW I find Hammond a tolerable, pragmatic Tory who seems to want to do his best, but he doesn't have a chance barring a dramatic realignment!)

 

[IrishSkyBlue]

so what options are left for may and the British government, the EU sound like they dont want to give anymore leeway and the uk government dont want a hard brexit, you would wonder what may can go back to the EU with?

 

[clint van damme]

No confidence motion defeated - no one with at least one brain cell would have thought otherwise

no way the motion was ever going to be carried, Corbyn knew it as well. Do not be surprised if when they meet tonight he agrees to back Mays deal if she amends it to remain in the CU.
Weird couple of days in politics though, tonight many MPs gave their backing to the government after yesterday voting down an agreement that said government took two years to prepare yet still wasn't deemed good enough.

 

[Otis]

Labour MPs were very silent while he destroyed magic grandpa.

Just a load of soundbites. How on earth does that show Corbyn is not fit to govern? It's just one MP giving his opinion, showboating and no there is response from the leader of the opposition in that clip.

Not sticking up for Corbyn here, but that could so easily be turned on its head with the universal credit, the massive defeat for the deal, the Tory infighting, the lack of belief in their own leader, the massive rise in food banks, the increase in the amount of people living in poverty etc. etc.

Gove can not try and take any sort of moral high ground here.

So many politicians are disingenuous and two-faced.

I find it hard to believe in any party these days.

 

[clint van damme]

Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Davies, Raab, Fox... can barely wait.

(FWIW I find Hammond a tolerable, pragmatic Tory who seems to want to do his best, but he doesn't have a chance barring a dramatic realignment!)

For all the many faults they all have there was one thing I didn't realise about Boris, (that I don't think can be levelled at the others), until I watched th BBC Foreign office documentary, and that is that he is bone idle.

 

[Ian1779]

Labour MPs were very silent while he destroyed magic grandpa.

You don’t half talk some shite. Gove was the worst education secretary in history, and his speech was merely a load of bullshit pulled off the front pages of The Sun that his mate Murdoch sent him.

Like the Tories in general, no plan, no strategy, nothing to offer the country other than ‘don’t pick Corbyn he’s bad’.

 

[Otis]

You don’t half talk some shite. Gove was the worst education secretary in history, and his speech was merely a load of bullshit pulled off the front pages of The Sun that his mate Murdoch sent him.

Like the Tories in general, no plan, no strategy, nothing to offer the country other than ‘don’t pick Corbyn he’s bad’.

Exactly what I was just going to say.

His stance there simply seemed to be one of deflection and of your party is even worse than our party.

Great.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Grotbags gets another moment in the sunshine as the DUP bask in bailing out the government.

What an utter c**t that Dodds is. Somehow he's even more despicable than most of the Tory wankers.