Has the new budget been agreed yet?
The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (25 Viewers)
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Has the new budget been agreed yet?
Which has protected us thus far ???? No it hasn't the Far East steal intellectual property, copy products at will, manipulate currency, exploit their own people and transport their goods round the world with complete impunity.......whilst protecting their own markets where they can. Love him or loath him, it's only Donald Trump who has actually stood up to them.
There is a difference between envious and poor to the point where you know that you will never ever have a well paid job where you don’t have to struggle to get to the end of the month. One reason for some rich people wanting out of the EU is because of the trying to clamp down on tax havens.
It has to do with WTO rules.
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I further explained that China, the US and the EU countries are members of the WTO, and are obliged to follow its practices. We expect the US and China to tackle their differences on that basis. Since the mid-20th century, the EU has firmly contributed to internationally agreed rules and institutions together with the US. We believe in the strength and validity of those mechanisms. The EU is working hard to create a level playing field for all countries and reciprocity is crucial to create that, I underlined.“
This is a quote from a report on the EU China summit last year. The EU is putting pressure on China. They don’t want to wreck the EU economy by gobbing off and starting a trade war though. The UK sent an aircraft carrier which pissed the Chinese off.
Trump has damaged his economy through his actions and created uncertainty in the world economy.
China may well end up listening to the EU which is a major market for them. The EU wants reciprocity to open up the Chinese market to EU firms.
Astute
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As long as they look at what they waste money on. Or even where and who the money goes to.
Astute
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If you tax the rich too much they will just pay tax elsewhere.
I would happily pay more tax. But for millions of people more tax would just mean more in working benefits to be paid or even put them into working benefits. Paying more tax isn't as simple as just picking a group and then collecting more tax.
It's just been talk, the Chinese listen, walk away and carry on with their own dangerous expansionist plans, whilst encouraging it's 1.3 billion people to take care of their own. All the while spending a large budget on their military I might add. By not standing up to them we are funding our foe of the future. The UK and Europe has become a warehouse for their products and that might satisfy a few managers but actually only provides warehouse and distribution type low paid jobs for many.
Yes, but the UK has already been fined by the EU and asked to repay the tariffs on Chinese goods that they didn’t collect. It doesn’t help the EU‘s case when members allow goods through without collecting the right tariffs.
The Chinese are building a land route through to Europe. There may be a way of applying pressure on them to allow that to work. Who knows? But China is nearly a quarter of the world population as opposed to 500 million in the EU. Maybe the EU and USA can apply pressure, but how do you see the UKs chances as a distressed trading partner with 65 million population?
I think we will have no say. They have already cancelled meetings because of us sending a ship. We have do as they say.
skybluetony176
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SkyBlueDom26
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What does everyone reckon then, are TM and Corbyn going to agree a deal?
Im not to sure they will
Im not to sure they will
skybluetony176
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No. 3 years of Tory failure will no doubt be blamed on labour though.
SkyBlueDom26
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It is likely though that may will give in to JC
skybluetony176
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To be fair she promptly dropped large parts of her own manifesto five minutes after being elected and adopted large parts of Labours manifesto so anything is possible. Can’t see it happening on this issue though.
SkyBlueDom26
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She has wrote a letter to her party saying the only way to get a deal through is with their support! She's desperate
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Whoever thought we'd get to a stage where May would be announcing in the Commons that there were a number of areas where she agreed with Corbyn!
skybluetony176
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Boris has walked out of PMQ’s apparently. I wonder if he’ll do the country a favour and keep walking?
tisza
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An enigma Boris Johnson. Something Trump-like about him.
Struggle to see why he's popular and with whom but he seems to be.
Nobody really knows what he stands for as he does like a U-turn.
Like trump is he eccentric or bordering on some sort of psychological disorder? Does he play the clown just for effect?
Nearer 1/7th actually but yes still big numbers. Although I might add current figures suggest the UK population density is 704 per Sq Mile against China's 375 per Sq mile !!
Yes, he plays the clown because people say, ‚oh that’s just Boris‘. Makes him sort of a likeable rogue. In reality he is a ruthless ambitious person who would do anything and say anything to be PM. Born in New York, if that means anything. He is praised by that other great actor, Rees-Mogg who plays the country lord and speaks with a charming posh accent, which disguises his thorough ruthless nastiness. A nasty pair of chancers who would love May to crash to get to power. In relation, the Old Bennite, Jeremy Corbyn seems totally harmless.
Are you saying that we would have a chance of getting a great deal out of China on our own?
Considering that the only reasons we had a referendum was to stop the Tory party arguing amongst itself, and to stop UKIP taking it’s support, it hasn’t gone too well has it?
Seems the EU don’t think much of him either:
„We cannot risk giving the keys of the EU's future to a Boris Johnson, or a Michael Gove, the architects of this Brexit disaster'
The European Parliament's Brexit co-ordinator Guy Verhofstadt argues against granting a long Brexit extension
dutchman
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There's no reason why they should since May's hands have now been tied by parliament and she is no longer in a position to negotiate.
SIR ERNIE
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May isn’t smart enough to set a trap. I despise the woman, she’s weak, utterly incompetent and out of her depth plus she’s a liar. She will be remembered as the PM who betrayed the biggest vote in our history and allowed this country to be humiliated by idiots like Tusk and Juncker.
Her woefully weak leadership has created massive splits in her party and now to cap it all she turns to Comrade Corbyn for talks which will legitimise and give credence to him and his vile politics.
Unless one of the 27 refuses an extension and there’s virtually no chance of that, this Brexit battle is lost.
I now hope that Remainers go ahead and revoke Article 50 or have their loaded-question-Remain-win ‘peoples vote’ and then we can start it all again in a couple of years when we have a Parliament that reflects the views of the electorate and a leader who wants to leave and knows how to negotiate.
Sick Boy
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If that’s true then what does that say about the Brexiteers within parliament? None of them have stepped up or put themselves or solutions forward. In fact they came across as even more incompetent than May.
Who’d be your choice of PM in a couple of years then?
skybluetony176
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The irony here is that Tusk and Junker have behaved exactly as the leave campaign argued as a reason to vote leave. On that basis it’s self humiliation. The idiots are those that campaigned for leave on that argument as clearly they didn’t believe their own arguments. It’s time these idiots and those gullible enough to believe them take an opportunity for self reflection. They’ve got exactly what they campaigned and voted for and are now playing the victim.
skybluetony176
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The split was already there. That’s how we ended up having the referendum in the first place. It was supposed to settle the split, the reality is it’s just got wider.
fernandopartridge
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The split has been there for 45 years or more. It isn't new.
SIR ERNIE
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Haha you really do tie yourself in knots with your puerile attempts at point scoring don’t you.
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It would have helped if leave wasn’t based on false promises. Basically we can have our cake and eat it.
A downright lie.
Then comes the lack of a definition of what form of leave we would take.
The government leaflet said that in the event of leaving they would negotiate the best alternative. May put an end to that by defining her red lines and didn’t get consent from parliament or even her own party for doing so.
Add to that you have triggering article 50 without having any plan passed by parliament.
What the leave proponents have done to this country is treachery. The lies, the blatant misleading of people not usually interested in politics or informed on the subject of the referendum, will go down on history as a major act of treason for personal political or financial gain.
I hope you are right and we stay in the EU, and make the people who did this to the UK answerable for their acts.
As well you know , I was referring to our burgeoning population being very worrying
Yes, but that wasn’t the question.
SkyBlueDom26
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Any party will have a say in the next general elections, even UKIP could help win a majority as lots of people are going to not vote for the main parties
Times like this it would be better with proportional representation.