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Travs

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It’s pure over reaction.

Yes we have not started well. This is not new news for us in the championship under Robins.

The window has been a good one. The same approach and recruitment team that were lauded last year are being given dogs abuse now.

We do not lack creative players, nor height, pace, or power.

Our midfield will look different again when Sheaf is back.

I thought we were good for the most part in pre season with clear patterns of play and shape, the same could be said for Oxford at home in the league. Away we have been more disjointed.

We are still conceding far too many goals as a % of the shots on target.

If we are true to form we will slowly improve week on week for a few weeks now and come October some sides will start getting a good hiding.

It’s a long season, panicking now, turning on the players and staff is crazy. If we are within 6 points of they play offs come January then we rate in with a real shout again.


They were being given dogs abuse this time last year as well......
 

bigfatronssba

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Let’s not go over the top.

There is only 1 real issue:

No real leader on the pitch to be the nucleus of the team when Sheaf is injured
 

djr8369

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I’m not buying this too many cooks synopsis.

I’m sure bigger clubs than us I.e Man City Utd etc etc, in fact probably all of the premier league clubs have more staff than we do. This isn’t Sunday league.
Of course, it’s the usual fuckwits moaning about change.
 

skyblu3sk

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Glad you're owning it mate. People with opinions that don't match the happy clappers get dogs abuse on here. Stay strong and stand by your opinions.
Just don't moan at the end of the season when we quote all the usual bull shit if you want to call fans with moderate views happy clappers.
 

Travs

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All the happy clappers were giving dogs abuse when people were suggesting that having Asante and Bassett was a bit OTT because 1000000% we'd sign loads of midfielders.
They have their tails between their legs now.

I don't tend to converse with people who use the term "happy clappers"..... usually a sign of abject unintelligence and/or spending too much time on Twitter....

Ditto people using the term "tinpot"
 

nicksar

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What really pissed me off today was when Doyle crunched Saka,and did his ankle. Took some nice handslaps from his fellow centre back as he resumed his position, with a big smile on his face.
Simms and Wright just calmly stood around watching, instead of strolling over and and telling the shit what he was gonna get.
He 100% went in with the intention of injuring Tats... disgusting tackle.
 

EalingSB

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It was right in front of me and I thought it was the type of tackle that you love to see if it’s one of your players making it. Haven’t seen it back but certainly didn’t look disgusting. Doyle was excellent today, class player.
 

Trueskyblue20

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One big positive for me today was Bassette. He looks like he has the potential to be a really good player but the main thing that stood out is how fired up he was and made a difference to the players around him. I feel as a team we seem to be lacking any sense of leadership or anyone who can get the team by the scruff of the neck and push them on but he seems to have it in abundance.

In simple old school terms I think we are way too nice as a team and need a few proper cunts.
 

skyblu3sk

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It was right in front of me and I thought it was the type of tackle that you love to see if it’s one of your players making it. Haven’t seen it back but certainly didn’t look disgusting. Doyle was excellent today, class player.
I'm not sure he actually caught Tats too bad I thought he jumped it mostly and landed funny.
 

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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One big positive for me today was Bassette. He looks like he has the potential to be a really good player but the main thing that stood out is how fired up he was and made a difference to the players around him. I feel as a team we seem to be lacking any sense of leadership or anyone who can get the team by the scruff of the neck and push them on but he seems to have it in abundance.

In simple old school terms I think we are way too nice as a team and need a few proper cunts.


Let's hope that Doesn't get Trained out of Him. 🤔
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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One big positive for me today was Bassette. He looks like he has the potential to be a really good player but the main thing that stood out is how fired up he was and made a difference to the players around him. I feel as a team we seem to be lacking any sense of leadership or anyone who can get the team by the scruff of the neck and push them on but he seems to have it in abundance.

In simple old school terms I think we are way too nice as a team and need a few proper cunts.
He just looked baffled as to why he was the only one pressing from the front. As was I really, he was on a hiding to nothing with such little support.
 

ccfc1234

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Never throught I would say it but we missed Kelly today. He was old and slow but had game awareness. We really need someone with composure and in built nous who can break up play and start attacks. With the squad were left with I can see Lati back in CM. Dean Austin and Doug King should be embarrassed by their summer work.
 

M3rcian

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in no particular order.

on the pitch first

no replacement for Hamer

no creativity

no leaders on the pitch

No shape

no midfield

no physicality

too small


off the pitch

Too many cooks in the kitchen

Not identifying key areas in the transfer market

Pressure on robins
Feels like the team lacks decisive actions too often. Systems of passing to stretch the opposition is fine but our approach is way too predictable just now. Going wide works if the crosses are quality and both strikers, with midfeild, look to test / overload the box, but that rarely happens.

Watching how decent Norwich were today in committing to fluid attacking movement and interplay (especially in the middle, infront of our box) it struck me how we rarely show that confidence of interplay down the centre. The issue then is a good defence (especially when not troubled with overloads or variety of systems) are hard to breakdown. Feels more like a system tactics issue to me, or perhaps that the CAM role isn't where it should be too often.
 

SkyBlueAndy1979

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Surely it comes down to formation? And the new coaching staff that have failed to realise we can’t play 4-2-3-1 with players we have. We aren’t a team that is going to dominate possession and we are better in shorts bursts. We played great footie in that formation when we had Callum, Kasey, Hamer, etc. We now have Rudoni who isn’t as dynamic and Ellis Simms who isn’t mobile. It makes our midfield look weak but they have no chance when they are being pulled apart to cover everywhere. So the defence stays deep along with midfield making us disjointed and we get picked off by a Mediocre Norwich Team. The pressing from the front isn’t working as a result. Even with Sheaf back I don’t think this current formation will work. I hope I’m wrong or hope that MR realises that we need to put an extra man in midfield and play 4-3-3 or go ultra counter attacking 4-4-1-1. Thoughts?
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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The problems are pretty easy to spot. Yes, we are absolutely soft as shit. We also have zero leadership on the pitch. When your current captain plays, but we statistically pick up less points per game, at professional level that is a massive red flag. Ability standard you might say Kelly wasn't there in the last year or two, but his presence improved us drastically. Having a calm and astute head in the middle made a big difference.

The 'too many cooks' is relevant as well. We've got all these new coaches but we are still, for the most part, doing pre-cooked substitutions. How set in our ways are we?

Application and attitude seem lacking, which is a massive concern to me. If you lose but fight hard and give everything then you walk away feeling annoyed but less angry overall. For a while now we've just looked lacklustre and you have to ask why that is. Viveash has gone and I get the feeling we're missing his presence too. Who was it that said it was 'me or him' again? Pretty sure that gives an indication of how unsurprising it is that we find ourselves in this pickle.
 

SkyBlueAndy1979

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Reading between the lines and watching the reaction from Eccles and Milan on the instructions from the coaching staff, all is not well tactically. We only have this season before we lose Sheaf, Milan, Wright, etc. Need this sorted fast.
 

RoboCCFC90

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in no particular order.

on the pitch first

no replacement for Hamer

no creativity

no leaders on the pitch

No shape

no midfield

no physicality

too small


off the pitch

Too many cooks in the kitchen

Not identifying key areas in the transfer market

Pressure on robins

I wish people would stop with this “We haven’t replaced Hamer” rhetoric it’s boring.

Yes we haven’t replaced him, one player doesn’t make a team and as good as Hamer was it’s 11 players out on the pitch and it’s a squad game. As a club Hamer’s sale (and Gyokeres) has allowed the club to invest in bringing better players that rely less on loans and having quality in depth, something that has been pointed out to of been lacking up until now.

Also, no creativity? Simms and Rudoni should’ve both scored yesterday and Wright had chances - I don’t see we aren’t creating, we can’t finish our dinner that’s a problem.
 

shmmeee

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I wish people would stop with this “We haven’t replaced Hamer” rhetoric it’s boring.

Yes we haven’t replaced him, one player doesn’t make a team and as good as Hamer was it’s 11 players out on the pitch and it’s a squad game. As a club Hamer’s sale (and Gyokeres) has allowed the club to invest in bringing better players that rely less on loans and having quality in depth, something that has been pointed out to of been lacking up until now.

Also, no creativity? Simms and Rudoni should’ve both scored yesterday and Wright had chances - I don’t see we aren’t creating, we can’t finish our dinner that’s a problem.

Why do you think people say we haven’t replaced Hamer and don’t say we haven’t replaced Vik? Once you’ve figured that out you’ll understand.
 

RoboCCFC90

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Why do you think people say we haven’t replaced Hamer and don’t say we haven’t replaced Vik? Once you’ve figured that out you’ll understand.
Man Utd never replaced Roy Keane.
We never replaced Gary Mac.
Tottenham have not replaced Harry Kane.

You can’t always replace integral players with like for like, that’s why Clubs recruit 3 players to replace 1 specific, because that one was unique.

Can’t keep using this excuse as the reason we aren’t progressing, otherwise how far back do you want to go and should we look at more players over the years that we are yet to replace who are key - and you can throw Gyokeres into that list.
 

shmmeee

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Man Utd never replaced Roy Keane.
We never replaced Gary Mac.
Tottenham have not replaced Harry Kane.

You can’t always replace integral players with like for like, that’s why Clubs recruit 3 players to replace 1 specific, because that one was unique.

Can’t keep using this excuse as the reason we aren’t progressing, otherwise how far back do you want to go and should we look at more players over the years that we are yet to replace who are key - and you can throw Gyokeres into that list.

Ill ask again: why do fans complain about Hamer not being replaced specifically? All your point apply to every major player we’ve ever lost. What makes Hamer different?
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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Man Utd never replaced Roy Keane.
We never replaced Gary Mac.
Tottenham have not replaced Harry Kane.

You can’t always replace integral players with like for like, that’s why Clubs recruit 3 players to replace 1 specific, because that one was unique.

Can’t keep using this excuse as the reason we aren’t progressing, otherwise how far back do you want to go and should we look at more players over the years that we are yet to replace who are key - and you can throw Gyokeres into that list.
But we have only recruited one in his position in Torp and so far he's been pretty poor, that's the whole point people are moaning about.

Where are the other two central midfielders we've been desperate for.
 

chiefdave

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I always find it odd in these discussions that people seem to assume every transfer window has gone exactly to plan.

People seem to think Robins and / or the recruitment team identify who they want and then that’s it, we sign them.

If we don’t sign a player in a particular position it’s never because a deal, or deals, fell through or because the right player wasn’t available, it’s because Robins and his team are incompetent and haven’t spotted some glaring gap in the squad a random supporter on here has seen.
 

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