Sick Boy
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Hasn’t he been available for most of this season?
The Jones Enigma (7 Viewers)
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Joy Division
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The Philosopher
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I wish him well and hope for our sake he doesn’t do a JCH and become a £1m asset in a few months time.
If there was a way of keeping him as our player and giving him a run in a lower league then, IMO, that would be an option to explore. If he became a hit, we get a fee / we bring him back to the fold.
Ridiculous?
That’s your opinion.
clint van damme
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JCH would never have become a 1million asset playing for us though.
Our style of play didn't suit him, I'm glad he left when he did. It's no black mark against Robins or 5he club that he's done well.
SlowerThanPlatt
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I hope for his sake he proves me wrong but I can’t see Jodi Jones winning League 1 POTS anytime soon. And even if he does do well, clubs will still be apprehensive of him
Finham
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Honestly, I hope he does exactly that. I wish him nothing but the best. There was probably no way we could risk him at our level and he deserves a better crack of the whip lower down.
Good Luck for the future, Jodi! A fantastic talent before the injuries and most of all, a model pro and top lad. He deserves to prosper.
Mucca Mad Boys
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So what? It’s on players to fit our system than vice versa. MR got the call right despite JCH’s subsequent success in League 1.
JCH scored 7 goals from open play in 42 appearances last season. Meanwhile, Godden got 9 in 24 appearances… For context, in 20/21 Biamou scored 5 goals from open play in 2,011 minutes compared to JCH’s 7 in 2,997 minutes this year.
It’s a shame JCH didn’t score 25-30 goals for us in League 1. But, we progressed at a faster rate than he did elsewhere and ultimately, he wouldn’t get in our current team.
Robins job is to progress our league performances and doesn’t get judged on how well past players do once they leave.
Mucca Mad Boys
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I honestly think MR had hopes for JJ and still rates him. He wouldn’t make the comment he did after Huddersfield away otherwise.
Ultimately, for most of the season were in and around the playoffs. Therefore, not a good position to play him back to fitness nor loan him out because of our depth.
To get to the next level, we need to stretch our resources further than the competition. Any player who is a 50/50 needs to be moved on and we need players who can come in and make an impact right away.
Jones will definitely be a good signing for a League 2 team, perhaps League 1. His journey with us has been so unfortunate and I wish him all the best!
SlowerThanPlatt
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As I said at the time, actions speak louder than words…
Finham
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You know the quote attribute to Snoz when him and George took over though don't you (after we'd been bloody awful): "What DO we have to do to get the best out of you?" Benno says the reply was "get it on the floor into Cyrille and mine's feet", Not much longer later we'd won the cup rather than had a relegation battle! So yeah, you need to get the best out of your players. Which is why signing players that don't fit the way we play (Walker maybe?) then telling them to adapt isn't the way to get the best out of them-that way lies "4 goals in a season Regis".
NortonSkyBlue
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Best wishes to Jones and wish him every success. Now is not the time for an inquest but the time to thank him for his service and the poor chap has put his body on the line to get back time after time and I hope his future is positive and productive. He now has the chance to play, hopefully, like Shipley and it goes well for the lad.
Mucca Mad Boys
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JCH wasn’t anywhere near our best player at the time.
Would JCH add value to our current team? He’s not better than Gyo or Godden despite his achievements after he left us.
KenilworthSkyBlue
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It's not on players to fit the system at all, it's up to the manager and his backroom staff to scout the correct players in line with the system they choose to adopt. Otherwise as shown with Chaplin and JCH specifically, you just end up with square pegs in round holes.
I'd agree JCH wasn't particularly effective in the Championship and struggled with his fitness/form throughout the campaign - although his performances were much improved at the back end of the season. Probably too little too late though. I'd also agree that of course Robins eventually got it right, however that's not really all that relevant to the question in hand.
Yes, but if a manager continually let players go that had a high potential to receive sizeable fees then the board would probably raise that as a pretty sizeable issue area. But I agree with the sentiment of what you're saying.
Mucca Mad Boys
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I’d understand the points a bit more had JCH surpassed us and that he was a missed opportunity. What actually happened was that the season after he left, we won the league. After that, we were the only promoted team to avoid relegation and this season we finished 12th and flirted with the playoffs. Meanwhile, JCH has proven himself at League 1 level but couldn’t help his team avoid the drop. For context, his goal scoring record from open play this season was scarcely better than Biamou’s.
I’ll reiterate that I liked JCH when he was here and seen a player with potential. Letting him go was the right decision for both parties as we’ve both improved our respective positions.
KenilworthSkyBlue
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No one has said he's a missed opportunity? You seem to be veering off from the initial arguement.
It was certainly best for both parties that JCH moved on but I personally think it's difficult to disprove the view that at the time Robins got it fundamentally wrong with him during his time here by completely negated his strengths in order to shoehorn him into his way of playing. The fact he immediately made an impact at Bristol Rovers following his January move is proof of that.
Managers get it wrong from time to time though and it's all academic anyway as we've flourished without him.
KenilworthSkyBlue
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I think it was around £300k.
Mucca Mad Boys
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Fundamentally wrong? That’s quite the indictment.
I’m under the impression that JCH wasn’t a good fit in our squad personality wise and he certainly didn’t really fit in with our system. It’s absolutely a justification to let a talented player go. Something Robins has rightly prioritised is the teams culture and togetherness.
Ultimately, our overall recruitment got us to where we are and making tough decisions like letting JCH go has contributed to our success.
Bristol Rovers and Peterborough do not play the same football as us so clearly they were better environments for JCH than us. We have a strong identity and style of play that’s got us where we are.
Grendel
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His point is Regis was dog shit until Sillett took over as manager. A washed up nobody going nowhere but a huge talent if harnessed correctly
JCH has been dogshit in the championship
higgs
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12 goals and 3 assists not a bad return in a relegation team
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Never rated him to be honest
Mucca Mad Boys
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5 goals were penalties. His goals per minute was slightly better than Biamou’s.
I got that. I’m addressing the points people are making about using your ‘best players’. JCH wasn’t then, and wouldn’t start in our current team now.
I liked JCH as a player. But MR clearly seen had a reason to get rid of JCH the way he did. If I recall correctly, he mentioned there was the potential of a fee and Pompey and/or Sunderland expressed an interest. Assuming that is true, to let him go hastily for nothing to Bristol Rovers says a lot.
higgs
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Never rated him either had two good games for us against Brighton and Sunderland the rest he was very poor
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higgs
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Never rated him either had two good games for us against Brighton and Sunderland the rest he was very poor
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The Philosopher
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100% agree about sell on clause, particularly since he still had a contract term left.
My entire point about JJ is that we’ve spent (guess) £200k on the fee and three years at (guess 2.5k/ week plus add-ons and treatment, £150k / year? 3 years?)
Let’s say we’ve invested £600k-£800k on him.
Another year might have cost £150k less whatever we could loan him out for. Let’s say half. Let’s say we have a year deal with a year option in our favour.
£75k to hold on to an asset that has already cost £750k that at 24 might well be worth that investment back if he performs.
I don’t see it as ridiculous. Writing off the investment for nothing is as strange to me as signing Waghorn.
SlowerThanPlatt
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Do you not think 5 years of not getting any return on investment (mostly through not fault of his own) is a sign you may have to cut your losses?
Finham
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Exactly, different players suit different ways of playing-and different man-management styles too. We didn't get the best out of Clarke-Harris and we haven't Walker really. On the other hand, other players have done better here than anywhere else.
The Philosopher
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In some cases yes, in some no.
Looking at this case:
He’s had all the ACL damage that could ever happen and it’s unlikely to occur again.
He’s now got back to fitness for a while and looks useful.
He’s 24, not 29.
I still think some kind of retainer deal with and option was the way forward. It’s like if your car has a big crash, you spend all the money repairing it and then you give it away. That’s ridiculous, right? You either write it off at the outset or repair it and run it or repair it and sell it.
We’ve repaired JJ and now give him away.
I await “duh, you can’t compare a car to a person” dribble but I stand by my logic.
Jodi Jones was a great talent who was subject to bids by (Leeds?) pre ACL. If he gets back to his best (I think he will, he’s shown tremendous mental fortitude) then he’s a great asset.
We’ve given him away without trying to put some sensible / innovative plan in place to recoup our losses or bring him back to the first team by letting him go out on a decent length loan.
There’s also the CCFC branding to consider. Do we want to look like a club (to players who have a choice of who to sign for) who stands by through thick and thin (we did for 3 years) and then discards?
Bottom line, I just have a feeling that we may kick ourselves for throwing our cards in on Jones rather than risking just a very few more chips.
Sick Boy
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When has he proven to be a ‘great talent’ above league 2? Leeds didn’t actually bid for him.
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If we'd released him last season you may have a point, but we've supported him to a place where he can get a club.
I was thinking about this the other day. We might have signed a few players who didn’t pan (possibly with little to no input from MR) but his track record of who he lets go cannot be faulted really.
The Philosopher
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I thought they did.
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Sick Boy
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Fair enough, at the time I don’t recall their being a serious prospect of him leaving. We’re a long way above where we were at the time too.I thought they did.
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better days
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The deal had been done between the clubs and personal terms agreed
He was injured the next day before he was able to have his medical at Leeds
Very sad all round