Sick Boy
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Hasn’t he been available for most of this season?
Hasn’t he been available for most of this season?Love to see what a full season with him would have been like.
I wish him well and hope for our sake he doesn’t do a JCH and become a £1m asset in a few months time.Sorry but this is a ridiculous suggestion. You want us to give a contract to 24 year old to loan him to a Conference club (or similar?!). What would this prove exactly to us, a Championship club?
I wish him well and hope for our sake he doesn’t do a JCH and become a £1m asset in a few months time.
If there was a way of keeping him as our player and giving him a run in a lower league then, IMO, that would be an option to explore. If he became a hit, we get a fee / we bring him back to the fold.
Ridiculous?
That’s your opinion.
I hope for his sake he proves me wrong but I can’t see Jodi Jones winning League 1 POTS anytime soon. And even if he does do well, clubs will still be apprehensive of himI wish him well and hope for our sake he doesn’t do a JCH and become a £1m asset in a few months time.
If there was a way of keeping him as our player and giving him a run in a lower league then, IMO, that would be an option to explore. If he became a hit, we get a fee / we bring him back to the fold.
Ridiculous?
That’s your opinion.
Honestly, I hope he does exactly that. I wish him nothing but the best. There was probably no way we could risk him at our level and he deserves a better crack of the whip lower down.I wish him well and hope for our sake he doesn’t do a JCH and become a £1m asset in a few months time.
Clarke-Harris definitely.
Robins didn't play at all to his strengths and tried to fashion him into something that he wasn't.
That was pretty much shown immediately after he left us.
And bright was soon gone. He probably would have gone out in Jan had Bright still been here. But that didn’t work out.
ultimately robins must have seen him as someone to make up the numbers. As I’ve said Robins is looking out for CCFC not Jones’ future
I honestly think MR had hopes for JJ and still rates him. He wouldn’t make the comment he did after Huddersfield away otherwise.
You know the quote attribute to Snoz when him and George took over though don't you (after we'd been bloody awful): "What DO we have to do to get the best out of you?" Benno says the reply was "get it on the floor into Cyrille and mine's feet", Not much longer later we'd won the cup rather than had a relegation battle! So yeah, you need to get the best out of your players. Which is why signing players that don't fit the way we play (Walker maybe?) then telling them to adapt isn't the way to get the best out of them-that way lies "4 goals in a season Regis".So what? It’s on players to fit our system than vice versa. MR got the call right despite JCH’s subsequent success in League 1.
JCH scored 7 goals from open play in 42 appearances last season. Meanwhile, Godden got 9 in 24 appearances… For context, in 20/21 Biamou scored 5 goals from open play in 2,011 minutes compared to JCH’s 7 in 2,997 minutes this year.
It’s a shame JCH didn’t score 25-30 goals for us in League 1. But, we progressed at a faster rate than he did elsewhere and ultimately, he wouldn’t get in our current team.
Robins job is to progress our league performances and doesn’t get judged on how well past players do once they leave.
You know the quote attribute to Snoz when him and George took over though don't you (after we'd been bloody awful): "What DO we have to do to get the best out of you?" Benno says the reply was "get it on the floor into Cyrille and mine's feet", Not much longer later we'd won the cup rather than had a relegation battle! So yeah, you need to get the best out of your players. Which is why signing players that don't fit the way we play (Walker maybe?) then telling them to adapt isn't the way to get the best out of them-that way lies "4 goals in a season Regis".
So what? It’s on players to fit our system than vice versa. MR got the call right despite JCH’s subsequent success in League 1.
JCH scored 7 goals from open play in 42 appearances last season. Meanwhile, Godden got 9 in 24 appearances… For context, in 20/21 Biamou scored 5 goals from open play in 2,011 minutes compared to JCH’s 7 in 2,997 minutes this year.
It’s a shame JCH didn’t score 25-30 goals for us in League 1. But, we progressed at a faster rate than he did elsewhere and ultimately, he wouldn’t get in our current team.
Robins job is to progress our league performances and doesn’t get judged on how well past players do once they leave.
It's not on players to fit the system at all, it's up to the manager and his backroom staff to scout the correct players in line with the system they choose to adopt. Otherwise as shown with Chaplin and JCH specifically, you just end up with square pegs in round holes.
I'd agree JCH wasn't particularly effective in the Championship and struggled with his fitness/form throughout the campaign - although his performances were much improved at the back end of the season. Probably too little too late though. I'd also agree that of course Robins eventually got it right, however that's not really all that relevant to the question in hand.
Yes, but if a manager continually let players go that had a high potential to receive sizeable fees then the board would probably raise that as a pretty sizeable issue area. But I agree with the sentiment of what you're saying.
I’d understand the points a bit more had JCH surpassed us and that he was a missed opportunity. What actually happened was that the season after he left, we won the league. After that, we were the only promoted team to avoid relegation and this season we finished 12th and flirted with the playoffs. Meanwhile, JCH has proven himself at League 1 level but couldn’t help his team avoid the drop. For context, his goal scoring record from open play this season was scarcely better than Biamou’s.
I’ll reiterate that I liked JCH when he was here and seen a player with potential. Letting him go was the right decision for both parties as we’ve both improved our respective positions.
We should have included a sell on when we gave jch away for free. How much did we pay for Jodi?
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No one has said he's a missed opportunity? You seem to be veering off from the initial arguement.
It was certainly best for both parties that JCH moved on but I personally think it's difficult to disprove the view that at the time Robins got it fundamentally wrong with him during his time here by completely negated his strengths in order to shoehorn him into his way of playing. The fact he immediately made an impact at Bristol Rovers following his January move is proof of that.
Managers get it wrong from time to time though and it's all academic anyway as we've flourished without him.
JCH wasn’t anywhere near our best player at the time.
Would JCH add value to our current team? He’s not better than Gyo or Godden despite his achievements after he left us.
JCH has been dogshit in the championshipHis point is Regis was dog shit until Sillett took over as manager. A washed up nobody going nowhere but a huge talent if harnessed correctly
12 goals and 3 assists not a bad return in a relegation teamJCH has been dogshit in the championship
Never rated him to be honest12 goals and 3 assists not a bad return in a relegation team
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12 goals and 3 assists not a bad return in a relegation team
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His point is Regis was dog shit until Sillett took over as manager. A washed up nobody going nowhere but a huge talent if harnessed correctly
Never rated him either had two good games for us against Brighton and Sunderland the rest he was very poorNever rated him to be honest
Never rated him either had two good games for us against Brighton and Sunderland the rest he was very poorNever rated him to be honest
100% agree about sell on clause, particularly since he still had a contract term left.We should have included a sell on when we gave jch away for free. How much did we pay for Jodi?
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I think it was around £300k.
100% agree about sell on clause, particularly since he still had a contract term left.
My entire point about JJ is that we’ve spent (guess) £200k on the fee and three years at (guess 2.5k/ week plus add-ons and treatment, £150k / year? 3 years?)
Let’s say we’ve invested £600k-£800k on him.
Another year might have cost £150k less whatever we could loan him out for. Let’s say half. Let’s say we have a year deal with a year option in our favour.
£75k to hold on to an asset that has already cost £750k that at 24 might well be worth that investment back if he performs.
I don’t see it as ridiculous. Writing off the investment for nothing is as strange to me as signing Waghorn.
Exactly, different players suit different ways of playing-and different man-management styles too. We didn't get the best out of Clarke-Harris and we haven't Walker really. On the other hand, other players have done better here than anywhere else.His point is Regis was dog shit until Sillett took over as manager. A washed up nobody going nowhere but a huge talent if harnessed correctly
In some cases yes, in some no.Do you not think 5 years of not getting any return on investment (mostly through not fault of his own) is a sign you may have to cut your losses?
When has he proven to be a ‘great talent’ above league 2? Leeds didn’t actually bid for him.In some cases yes, in some no.
Looking at this case:
He’s had all the ACL damage that could ever happen and it’s unlikely to occur again.
He’s now got back to fitness for a while and looks useful.
He’s 24, not 29.
I still think some kind of retainer deal with and option was the way forward. It’s like if your car has a big crash, you spend all the money repairing it and then you give it away. That’s ridiculous, right? You either write it off at the outset or repair it and run it or repair it and sell it.
We’ve repaired JJ and now give him away.
I await “duh, you can’t compare a car to a person” dribble but I stand by my logic.
Jodi Jones was a great talent who was subject to bids by (Leeds?) pre ACL. If he gets back to his best (I think he will, he’s shown tremendous mental fortitude) then he’s a great asset.
We’ve given him away without trying to put some sensible / innovative plan in place to recoup our losses or bring him back to the first team by letting him go out on a decent length loan.
There’s also the CCFC branding to consider. Do we want to look like a club (to players who have a choice of who to sign for) who stands by through thick and thin (we did for 3 years) and then discards?
Bottom line, I just have a feeling that we may kick ourselves for throwing our cards in on Jones rather than risking just a very few more chips.
If we'd released him last season you may have a point, but we've supported him to a place where he can get a club.There’s also the CCFC branding to consider. Do we want to look like a club (to players who have a choice of who to sign for) who stands by through thick and thin (we did for 3 years) and then discards?
Ultimately, what players has Robins willingly let go who proved him wrong? Clarke Harris at a push
Westbrooke was one who left with much fanfare but is now not making 21st place in League 2 Stevenage’s squad
When has he proven to be a ‘great talent’ above league 2? Leeds didn’t actually bid for him.
Fair enough, at the time I don’t recall their being a serious prospect of him leaving. We’re a long way above where we were at the time too.I thought they did.
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The deal had been done between the clubs and personal terms agreedFair enough, at the time I don’t recall their being a serious prospect of him leaving. We’re a long way above where we were at the time too.
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