The new signings so far (3 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

I'm not bitter about him leaving or who he went to. But I do feel he was over rated. After his injury he wasn't everywhere and pressurising.

Yeah post injury/post interest from other teams he changed his game completely to be more about goals and less the stuff that made him stand out as an AM.

 

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[wingy]

EMC is a different player to Haji, he does bits for me, he won't go on a charge down the left like Haji does at least I don't I've seen it yet, but he is becoming lethal from a yard out!

 

[blunted]

There's not a chance they'll give up on EMC by the end of the season, and they'd be mad to.

He's been underwhelming, but he's moved up a level and it takes time to adjust (he's also playing in a very unbalanced side). He may not be the type of player we should have spent big money on, but that doesn't mean he should be shipped out if his first season isn't the best.

Are you Mystic Meg? he is now considered a brilliant buy.

 

[Viktor17]

So that confirms Haji Wright's injury is worse than we thought.

Why?

He injured ankle November 9th was it - grade 2/3 which didn't require surgery is circa 8-10 weeks - which takes you to early/mid January - think we were lucky it wasn't worse looking at it.

 

[Captain Dart]

So that confirms Haji Wright's injury is worse than we thought.

Worse than you hoped for but the chances of him being ready for the subs bench before early Jan were always slim in my opinion. I still hope Wilson will be available for at least the bench for the Sheff Weds cup tie.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Are you Mystic Meg? he is now considered a brilliant buy.

No, it’s called having patience. It’s an annual occasion where new signings are derided as ‘poor buys’ or ‘not good enough’ to then be subsequently proven wrong later on in the season.

Too many people say ‘I’ve seen enough of ‘x’ player’ what they actually mean is that they can’t shake off their first impressions.

Just look at how positively Bassette is viewed as a striker with 1 goal in 11 (and should have 3-4 easily) compared to say Simms last season over the start of his season.

 

[shmmeee]

No, it’s called having patience. It’s an annual occasion where new signings are derided as ‘poor buys’ or ‘not good enough’ to then be subsequently proven wrong later on in the season.

Too many people say ‘I’ve seen enough of ‘x’ player’ what they actually mean is that they can’t shake off their first impressions.

Just look at how positively Bassette is viewed as a striker with 1 goal in 11 (and should have 3-4 easily) compared to say Simms last season over the start of his season.

Thing is for the money we’ve paid for some we shouldn’t be waiting over a year for them to “click”. Frankly if you’re dropping more than £3M on a player they should be ready and if not you’ve spent too much.

 

[TomRad85]

Thing is for the money we’ve paid for some we shouldn’t be waiting over a year for them to “click”. Frankly if you’re dropping more than £3M on a player they should be ready and if not you’ve spent too much.

Not really, The Championship is comfortably a top 10 league in the world. Good players for that level aren't cheap anymore.

 

[skybluecam]

It's stupid to make a verdict on signings before we've even hit Jan. EMC made this thread look silly on Saturday.

He, Rudoni & Bassette could go on to be good/great signings for us.

BTA just hasn't played enough in his preferred position, I'm still not sure what the logic in signing him was.

Binks is great on the ball, not so much defensively, but could work in the right system.

Dovin, again, hasn't played enough to make a judgement and is being messed around.

Raphael hasn't even set foot on the pitch but was cheap as chips anyway.

BTA and Binks are the only ones you can attempt to argue are "misses", the others are just far too premature.

 

[TomRad85]

It's stupid to make a verdict on signings before we've even hit Jan. EMC made this thread look silly on Saturday.

He, Rudoni & Bassette could go on to be good/great signings for us.

BTA just hasn't played enough in his preferred position, I'm still not sure what the logic in signing him was.

Binks is great on the ball, not so much defensively, but could work in the right system.

Dovin, again, hasn't played enough to make a judgement and is being messed around.

Raphael hasn't even set foot on the pitch but was cheap as chips anyway.

BTA and Binks are the only ones you can attempt to argue are "misses", the others are just far too premature.

Agreed. I didn't agree with you on BTA at the time but when we then went on to sign Bassette also, who clearly has way more potential imo, it just made the BTA signing look a waste of funds. Hopefully we still get some use from him.

 

[DannyThomas_1981]

EMC is a different player to Haji, he does bits for me, he won't go on a charge down the left like Haji does at least I don't I've seen it yet, but he is becoming lethal from a yard out!

did you wake up from a coma on Sunday Wingy - if so welcome back! looked like a decent charge down the left wing by EMC to me on Saturday - and far from the only time.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Thing is for the money we’ve paid for some we shouldn’t be waiting over a year for them to “click”. Frankly if you’re dropping more than £3M on a player they should be ready and if not you’ve spent too much.

Bassette cost £2.5m, should he be ready? To be a devil’s advocate, 1 goal in 12 suggests no.

With Simms, he finished the season on 19 goals in more or less half a season and he clearly is good enough at this level.

Even BTA, £2.5m for a 25/26 year old striker with 11 goals last season in the league is good value. We’ve got two proven quality strikers underperforming this season and the responsibility for that must lie with the coaching setup.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Agreed. I didn't agree with you on BTA at the time but when we then went on to sign Bassette also, who clearly has way more potential imo, it just made the BTA signing look a waste of funds. Hopefully we still get some use from him.

Bassette is just potential atm. It still remains to be the case that he’s scored the least goals of all of our strikers. Hes also missed the most amount of big chances (Middlesborough, WBA and Swansea).

You’d think our more experienced strikers in the same positions would score.

I have a lot of praise for Bassette, but feel our fans think he is actually the second coming of Gyokeres and have some massive blind spots in his general play. He’s 19 and will get better but we ought to be getting Simms to a position where we can sell him on for big profit.

Last season, Simms proved he can lead the line, I’m not convinced Bassette can at this point in time.

 

[TomRad85]

Bassette is just potential atm. It still remains to be the case that he’s scored the least goals of all of our strikers. Hes also missed the most amount of big chances (Middlesborough, WBA and Swansea).

You’d think our more experienced strikers in the same positions would score.

I have a lot of praise for Bassette, but feel our fans think he is actually the second coming of Gyokeres and have some massive blind spots in his general play. He’s 19 and will get better but we ought to be getting Simms to a position where we can sell him on for big profit.

Last season, Simms proved he can lead the line, I’m not convinced Bassette can at this point in time.

No ones mentioned Simms, we're talking about BTA.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Good to level here.

I don’t see why O’Hare is favoured over Rudoni so much. Jacks stats are much better and while he takes set pieces, you still have to be good at them to get your assists.

The big one is chances created imo

 

[shmmeee]

Not really, The Championship is comfortably a top 10 league in the world. Good players for that level aren't cheap anymore.

Other teams seem to manage. Just like other teams seem to find managers and coaches who have immediate impact.

Also Rudoni Kitching and EMC are some of the most expensive players ever from L1. We really are an outlier in terms of spend and what we get for it.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

No ones mentioned Simms, we're talking about BTA.

BTA has scored more than both of them! If he got a run in the side upfront he could prove to be a good signing but he’s being messed about.

BTA scored 3 goals in a 6 game span and was in and out of the team, he’s not been given the platform to prove his worth.

Bassette has started all but 1-2 games since Robins got sacked and I can’t say that he looks ready to lead the line. Plenty of energy, a nice goal v Sheff U and shown promise, but in the context that we’ve got Simms and BTA playing 2nd and 3rd fiddle, I don’t think it’s wise to start him ahead those 2.

 

[stupot07]

BTA is wank. Seems like a nice lad though.

 

[TomRad85]

Other teams seem to manage. Just like other teams seem to find managers and coaches who have immediate impact.

Also Rudoni Kitching and EMC are some of the most expensive players ever from L1. We really are an outlier in terms of spend and what we get for it.

I doubt it. You're just digging around for success stories which is easy to do but many many clubs in this league make awful signings and awful managerial appointments - not sure what your point is on the latter btw.

 

[TomRad85]

BTA has scored more than both of them! If he got a run in the side upfront he could prove to be a good signing but he’s being messed about.

BTA scored 3 goals in a 6 game span and was in and out of the team, he’s not been given the platform to prove his worth.

Bassette has started all but 1-2 games since Robins got sacked and I can’t say that he looks ready to lead the line. Plenty of energy, a nice goal v Sheff U and shown promise, but in the context that we’ve got Simms and BTA playing 2nd and 3rd fiddle, I don’t think it’s wise to start him ahead those 2.

Bassettes potential is pretty obvious imo, the fact that someone like Frank Lampard sees it too is good enough for me.

 

[shmmeee]

I doubt it. You're just digging around for success stories which is easy to do but many many clubs in this league make awful signings and awful managerial appointments - not sure what your point is on the latter btw.

The latter is that you say “oh players just cost a lot” but it’s there in black and white that ours cost more than other peoples. No one paid what we did to L1 really. One of our benched signings would be the marquee at most clubs and normally have come from PL another Champ club or a decent league abroad and don’t have to acclimatise as much.

Looking at this outside of the parachute clubs no one is spending like we are to get first team players: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/transfers/wettbewerb/GB2

 

[TomRad85]

Rudoni and EMC will make quite a few people on this forum look pretty stupid tbh, just as many players before them have. Rudoni has been pretty good all along imo, in a struggling team lets not forget.

 

[shmmeee]

Rudoni and EMC will make quite a few people on this forum look pretty stupid tbh, just as many players before them have. Rudoni has been pretty good all along imo, in a struggling team let’s not forget.

But are they worth £5m a piece? Is Kitching? Are our fringe players worth £2m a time?

 

[TomRad85]

The latter is that you say “oh players just cost a lot” but it’s there in black and white that ours cost more than other peoples. No one paid what we did to L1 really. One of our benched signings would be the marquee at most clubs and normally have come from PL another Champ club or a decent league abroad and don’t have to acclimatise as much.

Looking at this outside of the parachute clubs no one is spending like we are to get first team players: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/transfers/wettbewerb/GB2

Which signings do you think are bad? You're just swinging all over the place at the moment really. The obsession with League 1 is also weird.

 

[TomRad85]

But are they worth £5m a piece? Is Kitching? Are our fringe players worth £2m a time?

Kitching, no definitely not. Not sure why he was chased in such a way, but every club misses from time to time.
Which players do you think are not worth £2 million in todays market?

 

[shmmeee]

Which signings do you think are bad? You're just swinging all over the place at the moment really. The obsession with League 1 is also weird.

The fact you’re off on insults tells me who is swinging here.

I can’t be any clearer: we have overpaid for our signings. If you look at other clubs I can’t see how you can disagree.

 

[shmmeee]

Kitching, no definitely not. Not sure why he was chased in such a way, but every club misses from time to time.
Which players do you think are not worth £2 million in today’s market?

Bassette, Dovin, Torp, BTA I think we overpaid for. None have really held down a place. Dovin and Bassette might come good but are very raw for the money.

Need I remind you up until recently these would have been some of our record signings at this level.

 

[TomRad85]

The fact you’re off on insults tells me who is swinging here.

I can’t be any clearer: we have overpaid for our signings. If you look at other clubs I can’t see how you can disagree.

I'm not insulting you am i? You are desperate for things to be bad though yet in other threads want us to go on huge winning runs. It doesn't add up.
I think our squad is decent, outside of our defence really, you don't. Dunno where we go from that really.

 

[shmmeee]

We’re signings players like Stoke and Hull do basically.

 

[TomRad85]

Bassette, Dovin, Torp, BTA I think we overpaid for. None have really held down a place. Dovin and Bassette might come good but are very raw for the money.

Need I remind you up until recently these would have been some of our record signings at this level.

Only BTA, again i think the others will prove this opinion to be rather daft. £2 million isn;t much in todays market. I know you want it to be, but it isn't.

 

[shmmeee]

I'm not insulting you am i? You are desperate for things to be bad though yet in other threads want us to go on huge winning runs. It doesn't add up.
I think our squad is decent, outside of our defence really, you don't. Dunno where we go from that really.

You’re arguing against some cartoon you’ve got of me. That’s fine. Standard on here. But it’s not my issue.

I think the squad is lacking 4-5 key players to be top six. I think we’ve overpaid for some very average players that other clubs managed to get equivalents of for a fraction of the cost. I think we’ve got an 8-14th level squad playing around the bottom of that potential.

 

[shmmeee]

Only BTA, again i think the others will prove this opinion to be rather daft. £2 million isn;t much in todays market. I know you want it to be, but it isn't.

You keep saying that but it is for us. Unless your contention is that the market increased tenfold over night at the exactly same time we got a windfall. Which seems unlikely.

 

[TomRad85]

You keep saying that but it is for us. Unless your contention is that the market increased tenfold over night at the exactly same time we got a windfall. Which seems unlikely.

What clubs transfer strategy would you want out of interest? Who's blowing us out of the water with all the massive bargains they are picking up?

 

[shmmeee]

What clubs transfer strategy would you want out of interest? Who's blowing us out of the water with all the massive bargains they are picking up?

Us three years ago?

All I’m saying is I’d rather we were in this screenshot:




Than this one:

 

[TomRad85]

I'm going to go through the entire league with all signings that required a fee and people can weigh up the average cost of bringing a player to the Championship and also whether our signings are significantly better/worse than the others. Can only do 10 at a time so bear with. Some of these look a little bit off (see Binks) but its the best i can find.