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oakey · May 17, 2017

On a different tack schools are very aware of the need for safeguarding now but it can be very tricky when you see a girl, for example, dressing and acting in, what can tactfully be described as a "trashy" way. Define the problem and try to enlist parents. How do you tell her mum who dresses or acts the same? This becomes a kind of class/race culture argument. We can dress how we like, speak how we like etc. Maybe the girl is being given too much freedom or maybe parent is at work, ill, caring for relatives etc. Girl then acts like this with older boys. Who is in the wrong? The boys or the girl? The parents? We all know boys are like bees round a honey tree when such a girl seems to be up for it. If the boys are Muslim and treat their own sisters as PAs to supply them with pens, lunch, do you suspect them of being involved in the same abuse? These boys know they cannot touch girls from their own community and some of them are tempted to go with the white girls. It's a big problem and schools have little clue how to handle it.

Nick · May 17, 2017

oakey said:
On a different tack schools are very aware of the need for safeguarding now but it can be very tricky when you see a girl, for example, dressing and acting in, what can tactfully be described as a "trashy" way. Define the problem and try to enlist parents. How do you tell her mum who dresses or acts the same? This becomes a kind of class/race culture argument. We can dress how we like, speak how we like etc. Maybe the girl is being given too much freedom or maybe parent is at work, ill, caring for relatives etc. Girl then acts like this with older boys. Who is in the wrong? The boys or the girl? The parents? We all know boys are like bees round a honey tree when such a girl seems to be up for it. If the boys are Muslim and treat their own sisters as PAs to supply them with pens, lunch, do you suspect them of being involved in the same abuse? These boys know they cannot touch girls from their own community and some of them are tempted to go with the white girls. It's a big problem and schools have little clue how to handle it.

If a 13 year old girl acts like it around any grown man then I'd say they are still to blame whether they are up for it or not.

When I was at school about 14 or 15 there were always the girls who hung around with older lads who had cars who were about 17 or 18 which is still wrong but don't remember anything like middle aged blokes and gang abuse.

I do remember a rumour of a girl shagging loads of gypsys though which I guess isn't too dissimilar.

oakey · May 17, 2017

In the drama last night it was an older white schoolboy who invited the first girl to his house after school and that was where it began. Then the taxis collecting them from school penned them in to the abuse. So, what I'm saying is that schools are aware that they have a duty to be vigilant for signs of this going on. In my school I reported to senior managers that I had seen a taxi waiting two streets away at home time, containing two men. It may have been totally innocent but I think we all need to look out for this.

covcity4life · May 17, 2017

Just put it on download. Thought it was a documentey not a drama

Hope not much dramatic license used and is actual facts

ccfchoi87 · May 17, 2017

In last nights episode it failed to mention Islam or the fact they were Muslim (I could be wrong on this) which is a strange omission I think

covcity4life · May 17, 2017

ccfchoi87 said:
In last nights episode it failed to mention Islam or the fact they were Muslim (I could be wrong on this) which is a strange omission I think

Watchinf it now. Whats islam got to do with it? Its more about small section of pakistani community and thats been mentioned loads already.

A lot like i expected so far. Dad cant articulate himself. Doesnt seem educated. Daighter has no manners. Swears st her dad. Her mates are all chavs. Doesnt seem to relaise that drinking every day aint right. Parents just allow it happen acting all helpless. Whateve rhappened to grounding child and a lil discipline?

Pathetic that i even have to put a disclaimer but this is all MINIMAL to the adult men using rewards to befriend underage girls and then forcr them into sex and threaten their lives!

Onto thr police bit now. This is gonna annoy me with them not acting right away.

covcity4life · May 17, 2017

Wtf how can this twat leave a threatening voicemail and come to her house??? Surely thats admition of guilt?!

I guess he could say angry at slander but fuck sake go back to police rather thanget in a car and go back to their fucking houses

These guys in house. So desperate for sex.

Arghhhh hard watch this is

covcity4life · May 17, 2017

Wife just explained that she thoight she was going house to put an end to it with help of tariq. Her mayes a fucking beyotch

Now thouhh she shud go police tho! 2 times raped.

covcity4life · May 17, 2017

Passing aroind vodka like its going out of fashion.

World would be a better place without alcohol

Poisen.

Sick Boy · May 17, 2017

Grooming gangs exist amongst all cultures and is not confined to Islam. The likes of Tommy Robinson using it to attack Muslims as a whole should be widely condemned.

covcity4life · May 17, 2017

The dad lost his house. Things can spiral i guess. A shame

Sorry for the running commentary!

Nick · May 17, 2017

Sick Boy said:
Grooming gangs exist amongst all cultures and is not confined to Islam. The likes of Tommy Robinson using it to attack Muslims as a whole should be widely condemned.

Agree, but whether they are white, black, red, yellow or green and the victims are either there should be no worry of discrimination when dealing with them.

covcity4life · May 17, 2017

Her dads knocking on door of some scumbags who happen to be white. Says it all. Colour dont matter. Evil in every race and.community

Glad she back with her dad

A good show. Episode 2 should be an eye opener.

Nick · May 17, 2017

covcity4life said:
Her dads knocking on door of some scumbags who happen to be white. Says it all. Colour dont matter. Evil in every race and.community

Glad she back with her dad

A good show. Episode 2 should be an eye opener.

Yeah thats her mates house isnt it where they called him town crier? I'd have had the door down.

covcity4life · May 17, 2017

Nick said:
Agree, but whether they are white, black, red, yellow or green and the victims are either there should be no worry of discrimination when dealing with them.

100% agreed

Police being reluctant to prosecute will.only.make race matters worse anyway.

Nick · May 17, 2017

covcity4life said:
100% agreed

Police being reluctant to prosecute will.only.make race matters worse anyway.

It encourages vigilantes then and people being tarred with the same brush. The guy is phoning up threatening and knocking the door to get at young kids, he has girls saying he raped them.

Not sure where the worry would be in prosecuting him.

covcity4life · May 17, 2017

When i watch these shows i always imagine flying through the door and knocking every1 out and saving day

The social services person saying unless abuse nothing we can do. Fucked up. No compassion.

Altho interesting to note some girks refused to leave the kebab places with police

Nick · May 17, 2017

covcity4life said:
When i watch these shows i always imagine flying through the door and knocking every1 out and saving day

The social services person saying unless abuse nothing we can do. Fucked up. No compassion.

Altho interesting to note some girks refused to leave the kebab places with police

I don't get why the dad didn't do it. I wanted to do it for him and he isn't the actual dad.

It's the bit where they told the parents she was a prostitute that got me, as if it was normal.

oakey · May 17, 2017

covcity4life said:
When i watch these shows i always imagine flying through the door and knocking every1 out and saving day

The social services person saying unless abuse nothing we can do. Fucked up. No compassion.

Altho interesting to note some girks refused to leave the kebab places with police

Yes indeed. I guess the girls called it right. The police would not protect them 24/7. The gang would get to them.
If you read about the case on wiki, it says,

Senior began to find evidence around 2001 of what appeared to be a localised-grooming network. Most Risky Business clients had previously come from Sheffield, which had a red-light district. Now the girls were younger and came from Rotherham. Girls as young as 10 were being befriended, perhaps by children their own age, before being passed to older men who would rape them and become their "boyfriends". Many of the girls were from troubled families, but not all. The children were given alcohol and drugs, then told they had to repay the "debt" by having sex with other men. The perpetrators set about obtaining personal information about the girls and their families—where their parents worked, for example—details that were used to threaten the girls if they tried to withdraw. Windows at family homes were smashed; threats were made to rape mothers and younger sisters. The children came to believe that the only way to keep their families safe was to cooperate.[f][54][55]

One girl who came to the attention of Risky Business was repeatedly raped from age 13–15, and believed her mother would be the next victim: "They used to follow my mum because they used to know when she went shopping, what time she had been shopping, where she had gone."[56][54] A 15-year-old was told she was "one bullet" away from death.[57] Girls were doused in petrol and told they were about to die.[58] When she told her "pimp" that she was pregnant and did not know who the father was, one 15-year-old was beaten unconscious with a clawhammer.[59] A 12-year-old with a 24-year-old "boyfriend" had a mother who invited the perpetrators into the family home, where the girl would give the men oral sex for 10 cigarettes.[57]

covcity4life · May 17, 2017

Nick said:
I don't get why the dad didn't do it. I wanted to do it for him and he isn't the actual dad.

It's the bit where they told the parents she was a prostitute that got me, as if it was normal.

Yeah. Although to be fair to him in todays world whats stopping those teenagers coming outside and kixking his skull in?

I think anothrt issue is these girls are seen as sub human and trash. All women should be seen as sisters and mothers. Lust is a bad thing.

oakey · May 17, 2017

Meanwhile the police did next to nothing and the social workers seemed to think it was a "lifestyle choice" of the girls!

Nick · May 17, 2017

one 15-year-old was beaten unconscious with a clawhammer

I am not sure where you would even have that thought process.

A 12-year-old with a 24-year-old "boyfriend" had a mother who invited the perpetrators into the family home, where the girl would give the men oral sex for 10 cigarettes.

Mother should be done for abuse also.

covcity4life · May 17, 2017

oakey said:
Yes indeed. I guess the girls called it right. The police would not protect them 24/7. The gang would get to them.
If you read about the case on wiki, it says,

Senior began to find evidence around 2001 of what appeared to be a localised-grooming network. Most Risky Business clients had previously come from Sheffield, which had a red-light district. Now the girls were younger and came from Rotherham. Girls as young as 10 were being befriended, perhaps by children their own age, before being passed to older men who would rape them and become their "boyfriends". Many of the girls were from troubled families, but not all. The children were given alcohol and drugs, then told they had to repay the "debt" by having sex with other men. The perpetrators set about obtaining personal information about the girls and their families—where their parents worked, for example—details that were used to threaten the girls if they tried to withdraw. Windows at family homes were smashed; threats were made to rape mothers and younger sisters. The children came to believe that the only way to keep their families safe was to cooperate.[f][54][55]

One girl who came to the attention of Risky Business was repeatedly raped from age 13–15, and believed her mother would be the next victim: "They used to follow my mum because they used to know when she went shopping, what time she had been shopping, where she had gone."[56][54] A 15-year-old was told she was "one bullet" away from death.[57] Girls were doused in petrol and told they were about to die.[58] When she told her "pimp" that she was pregnant and did not know who the father was, one 15-year-old was beaten unconscious with a clawhammer.[59] A 12-year-old with a 24-year-old "boyfriend" had a mother who invited the perpetrators into the family home, where the girl would give the men oral sex for 10 cigarettes.[57]

Disgusting. I guess for me its easier to say just tell policd.

But if you in fear of family being killed it makes it a very tough decision.

Have these fuckers all gone to jail by now or what?

Nick · May 17, 2017

covcity4life said:
Yeah. Although to be fair to him in todays world whats stopping those teenagers coming outside and kixking his skull in?

I think anothrt issue is these girls are seen as sub human and trash. All women should be seen as sisters and mothers. Lust is a bad thing.

Yes but again thats how people are brought up to see girls isn't it? It's a bit like when you see the gypsys grabbing.

I don't think I'd think about my skull being kicked in, I'd be going through the door with all sorts. Then it would be a case of them vanishing one by one into the back of a van and being found in the sea or something.

covcity4life · May 17, 2017

Thats what will happen if this continues. Communities will march on these places with pitchforks.

italiahorse · May 17, 2017

covcity4life said:
iam just curious

whya re they getting into a taxi from school? why are there parents not picking them up?
why are they drinking the vodka?
why after the first time would they not be vigilant enough to make sure never happens again rather than fall in love?

can look at it like its black and white but nothing will change that way, need to look at all factors that caused this to stop it happening again

..... because they are children and being abused.

covcity4life · May 17, 2017

italiahorse said:
..... because they are children and being abused.

And children need protecting was my point. Family must do this and authoroties.

oakey · May 17, 2017

From wiki again
Name Age Conviction Sentence
Qurban Ali 53 Conspiracy to rape 10 years[6]
Arshid Hussain 40 Rape, indecent assault (23 charges) 35 years
Basharat Hussain 39 Rape (15 charges) 25 years
Bannaras Hussain 36 Rape, indecent assault, actual bodily harm (10 charges) 19 years
Karen MacGregor 58 False imprisonment, conspiracy to procure prostitutes 13 years
Shelley Davies 40 False imprisonment, conspiracy to procure prostitutes 18 months suspended

oakey · May 17, 2017

The Hussains are brothers, with Ali their uncle.

oakey · May 17, 2017

Article about McGregor
Rotherham woman offered safe haven to troubled girls – then pimped them out

oakey · May 17, 2017

Second wave of convictions

Sageer Hussain 30 4 rapes, indecent assault 19 years[191]
Basharat Hussain 40 Indecent assault 7 years
Ishtiaq Khaliq 33 Rape, three indecent assaults 17 years
Masoued Malik 32 Rape, false imprisonment, conspiracy to commit indecent assault 15 years
Waleed Ali 34 Rape, indecent assault 13 years
Asif Ali 30 Rape 12 years
Naeem Rafiq 33 Conspiracy to commit indecent assault, false imprisonment 8 years
Mohammed Whied 32 Aiding and abetting rape 5 years

oakey · May 17, 2017

Third wave

Basharat Dad 32 Rape, indecent assault, and false imprisonment 20 years[8]
Nasser Dad 36 Rape, false imprisonment, inciting gross indecency with a child 14 years, 6 months
Tayab Dad 34 Rape 10 years
Mohammed Sadiq 41 Sexual intercourse with a girl under 13 13 years
Matloob Hussain 42 Sexual intercourse with a girl under 13 13 years
Amjad Ali 36 Sexual intercourse with a girl under 13 11 years

Westendlad · May 17, 2017

covcity4life said:
Passing aroind vodka like its going out of fashion.

World would be a better place without alcohol

Poisen.

Hey what.......noooooooooooooooooo !!!!!!!!!!

Houchens Head · May 17, 2017

I've just watched this on iplayer. I hadn't heard of the program until I saw it on here. As someone who was brought up in care and witnessed sexual abuse by nuns and priests, I thought I wouldn't be too affected. How wrong I was. Inside, I was torn apart imagining the hell these poor kids had gone through. I don't believe in any god whatsoever but I hope these kids have someone or something to turn to, so they get help to cope with their future, because believe me, when you've been there yourself, you never forget.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · May 17, 2017

Sick Boy said:
Grooming gangs exist amongst all cultures and is not confined to Islam. The likes of Tommy Robinson using it to attack Muslims as a whole should be widely condemned.

It doesn't matter, grooming gangs may exist under many communities, but they are massively over represented in Pakistani/Muslim demographics and that is a huge problem.

Tommy Robbinson might be using it to suit his agenda but he is actually the only fucker brave enough to takle it. The fact the tv series omitted 'Islam' from its programme is alarming, and shows how hard it is to tackle this issue properly. Just like how 1,300 girls were assaulted and nothing was done. It's nothing but disgraceful.

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