It is true though. I'm of an age to of witnessed it.
I was in the poll tax riots and anti Thatcher marches, but trust me, I don't know many of my age who would of even considered voting for that prick Corbyn at the last election
The next general election will undoubtedly be closer, but in all honesty, Starmer has got fuck all going for him apart from the fact that he isn't Rishi Sunak, and will that be enough? It's hardly a manifesto.
Incidentally, there was an old saying that used to piss me off big time, but now kind of rings true.....
"If your not a socialist in your twenties, then you have no heart, if your still a socialist in your forties, then you have no brain"
I think it's more to do with where you work and even what industry your in.Thus is a bit out of date really. Everyone working age votes left on average. The right is for people who don’t work generally.
Oh mate, it’s the non-working who vote Tory?Thus is a bit out of date really. Everyone working age votes left on average. The right is for people who don’t work generally.
I think it's more to do with where you work and even what industry your in.
I have a good friend in the military where he says they nearly all vote Tory.
I work in engineering where its more divided in spite of being unionised.
I have a daughter who's a teacher and she says they are nearly all loony lefties.
Boris won because he was leant the Brexit Party vote (who has just trounced the Tories in the last election). Those voters were “OB & CS” voters (if you subscribe to 2d electoral calculus views) combined.Education level is the one of the biggest predictors of vote post Brexit. I’ve worked in property which is mostly Tory, finance which was split and tech which is mostly left. Public services tend to be left regardless because they see the impact of lack of funding. It’s similar in the NHS but at lower bands less so.
Really I think it’s about assets. If you’re retired or own property you want to vote Tory to keep inflation down and asset prices high. If you’re working age and trying to make your way in the world you want opportunity and low asset prices to get onto the ladder.
A lot of “working class” people now are asset rich because of the housing bubble and RTB and so align more with the Tories.
All the evidence shows that the Boris voters are leaving again under Sunak and that they are left wing economically BTW. That’s why Boris campaigned on funding public services not cutting taxes.
Starmer did attend a fee paying private school (his parents paid his fees for his later education there) and he did go to Oxford university.I often think Labour don’t play up to the fact that Starmer is a fairly regular bloke (apart from being a knight!). Working parents, University of Leeds, Arsenal season ticket, plays 5-a-side every week. Labour are in an invidious position because the Tories have decimated the public purse and services.
Boris won because he was leant the Brexit Party vote (who has just trounced the Tories in the last election). Those voters were “OB & CS” voters (if you subscribe to 2d electoral calculus views) combined.
BP voters make up of a lot of blue collar ex Labour non-Uni Ed folks. That’s who Boris tried to keep.
But other than that yes, those with assets don’t like the idea to higher taxes which left parties like to inflict historically on the better off.
The spice in the mix is the ever growing Muslim vote. Traditionally labour but struggled to endorse Eddie Izzard here in Sheffield. I’ll leave that there.
At some point that growing voting demographic will realise that the Conservative Party has more “traditionalist” values in line with theirs.
That’s when things will flip around.
Changing times.
I agree to a large extent.Education level is the one of the biggest predictors of vote post Brexit. I’ve worked in property which is mostly Tory, finance which was split and tech which is mostly left. Public services tend to be left regardless because they see the impact of lack of funding. It’s similar in the NHS but at lower bands less so.
Really I think it’s about assets. If you’re retired or own property you want to vote Tory to keep inflation down and asset prices high. If you’re working age and trying to make your way in the world you want opportunity and low asset prices to get onto the ladder.
A lot of “working class” people now are asset rich because of the housing bubble and RTB and so align more with the Tories.
All the evidence shows that the Boris voters are leaving again under Sunak and that they are left wing economically BTW. That’s why Boris campaigned on funding public services not cutting taxes.
And thank fuck they did, imagine having Corbyn and Dianne Abbott running the country, I wouldn't want either to run a tap.The whole voting landscape changed with the Brexit Vote. Blue collar vote switched from Labour to Boris.
I agree to a large extent.
If "working class people are now asset rich" thanks to the tories, due inpart to RTB and favourable opportunities like stamp duty reductions for first time buyers etc, that has to be a good thing surely.
It might go some way to explain why Labour opposed RTB as the last thing they want is people raising themselves out of poverty.
As you pointed out, asset rich working people ain't voting socialist, so Labour will have to become far more centralist to appeal to their once core support.
That's something Tony Blair recognised and why he was the last Labour leader to win an election, and only the second Labour leader to win a general election since ww2!
(Although he turned out to be a right c**t)
Boris won purely because he had a clear message and a defined plan for Brexit, to this day I don't know what labour's plan is or was.
However, since the last election the world has changed and the Tories have managed to properly fuck things up, and some kind of change is definitely required, whether that's a labour government or not remains to be seen, but if Starmer can't pull off a victory now, he never will.
These are the problems with basing your economy around the demands created by population growth.I think most of the housing bubble happened under Labour didn’t it?
The problem is things like RTB and FTB schemes pump up demand and RTB and lack of council building means no extra supply which just raises house prices. Great if you’re on the ladder, not so much if you want a healthy economy with people freely moving and having disposable income because their mortgage isn’t half their pay packet.
This board is so left wing.
Interesting.
Explains a lot.
I actually liked Corbyn. His stance on a few things such as Eire didn’t fit but you gotta admire his antiestablishment grit.Not really, the Tories have move so far right that anyone centre is declared left.
People who were right leaning 10 years ago would now be described as woke lefties.
Neither describe me, I voted Corbyn.
I actually liked Corbyn. His stance on a few things such as Eire didn’t fit but you gotta admire his antiestablishment grit.
That's very true, but (there's always a but)These are the problems with basing your economy around the demands created by population growth.
House building and mortgage lending are great for the economy short term.
Labour pressed their cheat button by encouraging EU 20 odd year old migrants. No problem with that: educated at a different country expense and then human resource at a stage in life to create economic growth. (Although actually immoral in a way) That leads to house building and mortgage lending to house more and more people.
There’s a big train wreck coming:
Brexit, rightly or wrongly, has led to a decrease in EU 20 odd year old migrants. Hence worker shortages in things like hospitality and harvesting. Hence increases in wage and costs passed on as part of inflation.
Next, demand for new housing will decrease (not yet, but soon) as less 20 odd year olds coming in and a sub RL birth rate means less people turning 25 year on year - less demand for houses.
Less demand for houses - prices fall - negative equity at high int rates - perfect storm.
Laugh at this now - see later on.
When it comes to Maths ability - Diane Abbott > Priti PatelAnd thank fuck they did, imagine having Corbyn and Dianne Abbott running the country, I wouldn't want either to run a tap.
These are the problems with basing your economy around the demands created by population growth.
House building and mortgage lending are great for the economy short term.
Labour pressed their cheat button by encouraging EU 20 odd year old migrants. No problem with that: educated at a different country expense and then human resource at a stage in life to create economic growth. (Although actually immoral in a way) That leads to house building and mortgage lending to house more and more people.
There’s a big train wreck coming:
Brexit, rightly or wrongly, has led to a decrease in EU 20 odd year old migrants. Hence worker shortages in things like hospitality and harvesting. Hence increases in wage and costs passed on as part of inflation.
Next, demand for new housing will decrease (not yet, but soon) as less 20 odd year olds coming in and a sub RL birth rate means less people turning 25 year on year - less demand for houses.
Less demand for houses - prices fall - negative equity at high int rates - perfect storm.
Laugh at this now - see later on.
Working aged people generally vote LabourOh mate, it’s the non-working who vote Tory?
With all due respect…..
How originalAnd thank fuck they did, imagine having Corbyn and Dianne Abbott running the country, I wouldn't want either to run a tap.
Tbf it worked really well voting for the other lot. Never had it so good...How original
Not any more, nowadays working people have the sense to listen to all party's manifestos before deciding which complete load of bullshit to vote for.Working aged people generally vote Labour
I agree to a large extent.
If "working class people are now asset rich" thanks to the tories, due inpart to RTB and favourable opportunities like stamp duty reductions for first time buyers etc, that has to be a good thing surely.
It might go some way to explain why Labour opposed RTB as the last thing they want is people raising themselves out of poverty.
As you pointed out, asset rich working people ain't voting socialist, so Labour will have to become far more centralist to appeal to their once core support.
That's something Tony Blair recognised and why he was the last Labour leader to win an election, and only the second Labour leader to win a general election since ww2!
(Although he turned out to be a right c**t)
Boris won purely because he had a clear message and a defined plan for Brexit, to this day I don't know what labour's plan is or was.
However, since the last election the world has changed and the Tories have managed to properly fuck things up, and some kind of change is definitely required, whether that's a labour government or not remains to be seen, but if Starmer can't pull off a victory now, he never will.
Not any more, nowadays working people have the sense to listen to all party's manifestos before deciding which complete load of bullshit to vote for.
It's only the over 50s where the majority start to vote Tory - the majority of years of 'working age' are below 50. Average age of somebody in employment is 41.
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The Challinor thing, you mean? Dreadful mate, but it's one person not a whole party...I'd vote for the green party but can't get past the nonce situation.
Not any more, nowadays working people have the sense to listen to all party's manifestos before deciding which complete load of bullshit to vote for.
The Challinor thing, you mean? Dreadful mate, but it's one person not a whole party...
Trans men and Trans women?Who's the grey and sky blue?
Yay, I know Danny Foulstone. Top lad.My options
Linda Joyce Bigham Labour Alan Norman Howard Checklin Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition Danny Foulstone Green Party William Sidhu Conservative Sian Williamson Coventry Citizens Party
Yay, I know Danny Foulstone. Top lad.
Vote for him.
If people had actually read Boris' manifesto then they'd have never voted for him. Absolutely nothing in it except Get Brexit Done for every single issue. No explanation of how Brexit was being done, or how it would solve that particular issue.The Challinor thing, you mean? Dreadful mate, but it's one person not a whole party...
If there's one thing that I'm certain never happens, it's that working people who aren't genuinely interested in politics (i.e. the majority of them), read party manifestos.
Hence the usual trite bollocks about loony lefties etc.. when Corbyn's policies (for example) were generally very popular.
Boris got in because of three words "Get Brexit Done". No one really knew what the fuck that meant, least of all that lying, corrupt fuckwit, but it was nice and simple.
This time Starmer will get in because of five words, "It's time for a change". Most people won't have a clue what that change will be either, including that dissembling, vacuous, twat. But again it's nice and simple for people who don't want to think too hard.
Here's my prediction: Under Starmer, very little will change, and in five or ten years we'll likely be back under a "rehabilitated" Tory government (having had a period where they couldn't screw anything else up).
I've actually mislaid my postal vote, which is this town is no great loss. If I went with anyone though, this time it would probably be Green.
But that just goes to show that the entire premise economics is built on is totally unfeasible. Population cannot grow in perpetuity. There isn't the space or resources for that, and the more populations grow the more likely fights over territory. In fact, pretty much any problem we have you can link almost directly to population growth.If population doesn’t grow you have serious economic issues. See Japan. 20 year olds have already been educated abroad which is a huge saving, and are likely to pay tax, not use many services, and go home when they’re older or integrate.
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