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no_loyalty

no_loyalty

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Mark Robins loves to sign a bad boy, Ravel Morrison now available after failing to agree new terms with Derby.
 
Frostie

Frostie

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ceetee said:
I think most of us could have written that without talking to Robins
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Almost feel sorry for the guy, Robins tells him literally nothing & he has to somehow turn it into headlines. Hence the constant rehash of content coupled with speculation & zero inside knowledge.
 
Bugsy

Bugsy

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I apologise if it has already been mention but notice Fulham has just had a bid of 10m accepted for Pereira from Man utd

Hopefully that would cool off any potential bids for anyone of ours thought I would add.

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Fergusons_Beard

Fergusons_Beard

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Darling £1.4m to Swansea, McNally £1.6m to Burnley & Ahmedhodzic to Sheffield United for £3m.

Can’t compete with those figures for CB.

Let’s hope we can get Johnathon Panzo on loan !


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Hobo

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Not so long ago we were so poor we could not give players away.

But a cup win, two promotions and establishing ourselves in the Championship it means we have attracted attention.

Obviously we now have players who teams would be willing to pay money for. It happens at every club that are doing well.

Our fans need to learn to live with speculation and not melt at every rumour. Yes we are a club that sells and always will be. Just like Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United, Chelsea and Barcelona. Every club sells players and sell top players as well.

Learn to live with the speculation because it will be there all through the transfer window. Then when itt closes the speculation and rumours will start about the January window.
 
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Northeast sky blue

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Hobo said:
Not so long ago we were so poor we could not give players away.

But a cup win, two promotions and establishing ourselves in the Championship it means we have attracted attention.

Obviously we now have players who teams would be willing to pay money for. It happens at every club that are doing well.

Our fans need to learn to live with speculation and not melt at every rumour. Yes we are a club that sells and always will be. Just like Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United, Chelsea and Barcelona. Every club sells players and sell top players as well.

Learn to live with the speculation because it will be there all through the transfer window. Then when itt closes the speculation and rumours will start about the January window.
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For me , it's not the speculation about out goings, like you say everyone sells, it's more of a, if we do sell then there's still no funds being made available apart from saved wages
 
Hobo

Hobo

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Northeast sky blue said:
For me , it's not the speculation about out goings, like you say everyone sells, it's more of a, if we do sell then there's still no funds being made available apart from saved wages
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I understamd that worry or fear. But we will not actually know that until we actually sell one of our best players and see what happens?

Also even if money is made available fans will expect that even more should be made available. Or assume any transfer fee will have been paid in one large sum. They also forget even a 'free transfer' incures agents fees.

You only have to look on social media to see how wide of the mark fans are around finances. They seem to think 15000 crowds, 12000 season tickets and shirts sales should have converted us into a buying club. Their expectation on those figures are unrealistic. For instance a large demographic of our fan base buying an early bird season ticket will be contributing £12 a game per person. Great value for the fan but that explains one reason why the budgets are tight.
 
Samo

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Hobo said:
I understamd that worry or fear. But we will not actually know that until we actually sell one of our best players and see what happens?

Also even if money is made available fans will expect that even more should be made available. Or assume any transfer fee will have been paid in one large sum. They also forget even a 'free transfer' incures agents fees.

You only have to look on social media to see how wide of the mark fans are around finances. They seem to think 15000 crowds, 12000 season tickets and shirts sales should have converted us into a buying club. Their expectation on those figures are unrealistic. For instance a large demographic of our fan base buying an early bird season ticket will be contributing £12 a game per person. Great value for the fan but that explains one reason why the budgets are tight.
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And yet not so tight at other clubs in similar circumstances, there is a choice involved.
 
Alkhen

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Northeast sky blue said:
For me , it's not the speculation about out goings, like you say everyone sells, it's more of a, if we do sell then there's still no funds being made available apart from saved wages
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Yeah but don't you have the feeling that is probably bollocks. Yeah the "ITK" have said funds will be tight but how much of the inner financing plans can the they really know.

SISU are a hedge fund they need to keep the buy lower than you sell model churning, there will definitely be re investment of a proportion of any sale it's how the system works. Chasing JCS has proven we still have a chunk of money allocated to player wages.

They aren't about to go shouting that they will spend big if a sale happens, that's how you get ripped off.
 
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Hobo

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Samo said:
And yet not so tight at other clubs in similar circumstances, there is a choice involved.
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It is hard to compare the financial states between one football club and another at any given time. Paying off of previous contracts is one which is not always an appatemt on going expenditure.

Luton seem to have got rid of some of their squad and brought a few in; mainly frees and loans both ways.

Millwall it seems to be around 2 million in 2 million out.

Very simplistic maths I know. But I dont see evidence of either splashing the cash?

Perhaps you would rather we were run more like Bolton who not only squandered cash about 120m. But squandered the clearance of that debt and the 60m new investment to be back with 120 m of dent again. Or perhaps we should spend money like Derby have in recent years?

Also players we have missed out on so far seem the right type of player but location and personalities seem to have played a part as much as money.
 
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mr_monkey

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Matt smith said:
Robins has stated he wants 4 loan players in the defensive areas

2 x CB
1 x LWB

do we really need another RWB?
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Tbf if we are sticking with three at the back we may need 3 cbs but reading it it's something he wants to do if we get rid of someone else so maybe if Kane goes
 
shmmeee

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Four loans doesn’t sound good. What happened to making sure we owned more of our squad? Wonder if it implies we aren’t getting the offers we thought we would and are planning for having no sales until Jan when we’ve got the option of sending loans back.

That said, with the right players that’s a fair chunk of your starting 11 you can improve.

Could start something like:

GK
Hyam CB CB
Dabo Hamer Sheaf LWB
O’Hare Palmer
Györkeres

Which honestly could look pretty tasty if those four are similar levels to the rest.
 
Samo

Samo

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Hobo said:
It is hard to compare the financial states between one football club and another at any given time. Paying off of previous contracts is one which is not always an appatemt on going expenditure.

Luton seem to have got rid of some of their squad and brought a few in; mainly frees and loans both ways.

Millwall it seems to be around 2 million in 2 million out.

Very simplistic maths I know. But I dont see evidence of either splashing the cash?

Perhaps you would rather we were run more like Bolton who not only squandered cash about 120m. But squandered the clearance of that debt and the 60m new investment to be back with 120 m of dent again. Or perhaps we should spend money like Derby have in recent years?

Also players we have missed out on so far seem the right type of player but location and personalities seem to have played a part as much as money.
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Perhaps I would rather this, perhaps I would rather that...
What I would rather we did is reinvest any incoming transfer fees into the playing squad so that 'incremental progress' can be achieved as per the supposed model.
Of course only a portion of any fee can be reinvested for a number of reasons, but if large sums of money come in and then disappear down the back of the couch again, then the model is flawed and it will be demonstrated that our owners have no interest in the football club other than as a high interest borrower.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Hobo said:
It is hard to compare the financial states between one football club and another at any given time. Paying off of previous contracts is one which is not always an appatemt on going expenditure.

Luton seem to have got rid of some of their squad and brought a few in; mainly frees and loans both ways.

Millwall it seems to be around 2 million in 2 million out.

Very simplistic maths I know. But I dont see evidence of either splashing the cash?

Perhaps you would rather we were run more like Bolton who not only squandered cash about 120m. But squandered the clearance of that debt and the 60m new investment to be back with 120 m of dent again. Or perhaps we should spend money like Derby have in recent years?

Also players we have missed out on so far seem the right type of player but location and personalities seem to have played a part as much as money.
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It hardly has to be spend nothing or spend £120 million does it.

An average of 5 signings have been per club . And so far at an average fee of around £750k per player
 
Matt smith

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shmmeee said:
Four loans doesn’t sound good. What happened to making sure we owned more of our squad? Wonder if it implies we aren’t getting the offers we thought we would and are planning for having no sales until Jan when we’ve got the option of sending loans back.

That said, with the right players that’s a fair chunk of your starting 11 you can improve.

Could start something like:

GK
Hyam CB CB
Dabo Hamer Sheaf LWB
O’Hare Palmer
Györkeres

Which honestly could look pretty tasty if those four are similar levels to the rest.
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If we only get loans but keep our best players I’d be happy
 
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