Brighton Sky Blue
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It’s only the second time a Republican has won the popular vote this century, and in fact only the second time since 1988. So it is pretty significant.
Trump is my favourite comedian of the year already (15 Viewers)
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You could counter that with Trump having the backing Rogan etc. Think this is a bit of a misconception and leans into the fallacy that it’s some kind of normal man against the elites. There is a huge amount of money behind Trump, institutions favoured the dems though.
Fuck me neither was I.
Brighton Sky Blue
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What is your problem with Ellis Simms?
Was thinking more performance in general. I’m Simms chief defender where I sit/stand
SomersetSB
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Got the popcorn ready for the bbc news later!!!
Evo1883
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for you mate
Listen I don't like trump but I feel like some people need to get it .
pusb
From Sky news;
“The president-elect has made no secret of his frustration at how the US has for decades bankrolled the security blanket that protects Europe.”
This is one I don’t get. The motivation here was that the US have markets to trade with and to stop large scale conflict disrupting the global economy. Will be interesting to see if the charitable interpretation (that he’s bluffing to get Europe to increase spending to deter Putin) is correct or he really is just erratic and isolationist.
Trump going into meetings with Putin without staff and the mobilisation of Russian bots in favour of Trump makes the charitable interpretation hard to believe.
“The president-elect has made no secret of his frustration at how the US has for decades bankrolled the security blanket that protects Europe.”
This is one I don’t get. The motivation here was that the US have markets to trade with and to stop large scale conflict disrupting the global economy. Will be interesting to see if the charitable interpretation (that he’s bluffing to get Europe to increase spending to deter Putin) is correct or he really is just erratic and isolationist.
Trump going into meetings with Putin without staff and the mobilisation of Russian bots in favour of Trump makes the charitable interpretation hard to believe.
fernandopartridge
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The US bankrolls both the security blanket and the freezing cold winds it protects Europe from
I mean I agree with aspects of what he’s saying but it doesn’t really clear anything up. I’ll respond to the key points
1. Yes people voted based on the economy, that seems clear, but I don’t think Trump is going to have the answers there and the dems aren’t at fault for post Covid inflation - that was a global issue.
2. The average person feels they’ve been called a nazi etc - people call out Trump supporters as racist when they do racist things. I don’t see how that upsets those on the fence and causes them to side with Trump.
3. The media said such and such a thing might favour Harris, ok, so what? They’ve got talking heads filling 24 news cycles. They are going to speculate. It makes sense women might vote for Harris based on abortion rights, I don’t see why speculating on that upsets people and cause them to vote for Trump? The right wing media all said Trump would win, he had support of Rogan, the world’s biggest podcaster. Are they not part of the political information complex?
He says the story wasn’t true but Trump was ahead in the polls?
Evo1883
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So basically you think he's wrong .. just say that .
I did have a 4 which fell of the post which was we need to learn to talk to the other side. Yeah absolutely but people have been trying to have evidenced based discussions all morning and constantly told it’s sneering and talking down to people. It’s really hard to have a conversation if you can’t establish basic facts and use them.
No two of the four points I agree with but the two that tie in with your arguments seem to have the same flaws.
Flying Fokker
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More than that…he made disparaging comments about Republicans. Best to keep him out of the way. Trump will be making excuses anyway.
Evo1883
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All the best thanks for engaging.
Mucca Mad Boys
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The Democrats outspent the Republicans 3 to 1 this election. Google and Microsoft were their biggest donors. Both platforms were caught red handed suppressing
1) On election day, you could google locations to vote for Kamala but not Trump that Google had to patch
2) YouTube had a “technical issue” where the Trump - JRE podcast couldn’t be found in full using the search bar
3) ChatGPT would refuse to ‘make a case’ to vote for Trump but would do so for Harris
The mainstream media and big tech were firmly on Harris’ side and bit motivator for Trump voters was the issue of free speech and big tech is/was a threat in suppressing certain viewpoints. For example, in 2020 Twitter, Facebook and other social media outlets censored information on the Hunter Biden laptop because of claims it was “Russian disinformation”. A classic political corruption case that was censored and given how close that election was (80k votes) you can see why the right were aggrieved of this. This isn’t even a hoax because Mark Zuckerberg is on record admitting it. Even in this election, you had ‘respectable’ news outlets deliberately misrepresenting what Trump said, for example, that he wanted to execute Liz Cheney.
Ccfcisparks
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What races would be in the other category out of curiosity?
If Trump lost every age demographic outside of the 45-64 group, how did he win the popular vote? Is it just a case of the 45-64 group being a much larger voting base?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Easily 400 electoral votes, probably more. Biden was even likely to lose places like New Jersey at the time he dropped out.
jordan210
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That was an exit poll. Might need to wait a few days for more data but I think CCN said Trump has been winning more Black votes than predicted.
There’s been loads of these big tech glitches supposedly being suppression but every one I looked into in the past have been manipulation to create the narrative that big tech was suppressing the republicans. For example, feeding chatGPT prompts it remembers to get it to output something specific later.
I don’t know if that’s the case here as haven’t seen the stories but just a note of caution.
Also, Musk is suppressing things more on twitter now than the old board ever did.
Just a thought from me, and I don't believe all this chat about uneducated people not knowing what they are really voting for.
We had it for Brexit and to me it's all to do with soundbites, 'TAKE BACK CONTROL' there was never really much substance behind it, but people bought into it
Now we have Trump 'MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN' and that's what I believe a majority of Americans have bought in to, again I don't think the substance behind it was really there.
We will all need to wait and see what MAGA actually turns into for the US citizens
We had it for Brexit and to me it's all to do with soundbites, 'TAKE BACK CONTROL' there was never really much substance behind it, but people bought into it
Now we have Trump 'MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN' and that's what I believe a majority of Americans have bought in to, again I don't think the substance behind it was really there.
We will all need to wait and see what MAGA actually turns into for the US citizens
A lot worse
When exactly was America great ? What period in time?
Imagine if we had a party campaigning along the lines of make Britain great again…at least I would roughly guess that meant from about 1750 to 1945 ish
( And even then , it wasn't that great for the majority of the population)
Otis
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Was wondering that myself. I just put it down to those who drink bleach.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Trump has often reminisced about 1798 to be fairWhen exactly was America great ? What period in time?
Imagine if we had a party campaigning along the lines of make Britain great again…at least I would roughly guess that meant from about 1750 to 1945 ish
( And even then , it wasn't that great for the majority of the population)
robbiekeane
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which is the biggest tragedy of it all. i’ve said it before but it’s a masterclass by the rich, to make poor people looking at even poorer people as the root of their issues rather than looking up at the owners of resources and wealth
robbiekeane
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this is just a fantasy economics word salad that doesn’t actually day anything at all
Brighton Sky Blue
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I’m sure that gifting huge tax cuts to already rich people will solve that.
Como
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robbiekeane
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Exactly. There’s such a massive part of “the other side” that don’t want to hear any empirical evidence or facts at all that cast into doubt the motivating points behind their positions.
And it’s like whack a mole…when you or the less extreme party’s representatives engage in conversation about a specific issue and try to have evidence based conversations, Trump is already talking about Haitians eating dogs or Boris is talking about £350million a week to the EU.
Are either of them true? No not at all. Does that matter? Not at all, because those voters don’t want facts they want soundbites to support their narrative which honestly today is just usually “i don’t want people that don’t look like me here”.