President in enforcing conscription and asking citizens to fight when invaded shocker, stop the press!!!!!!!
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President in enforcing conscription and asking citizens to fight when invaded shocker, stop the press!!!!!!!
Nick
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What have I said that's stupid, exactly? That Ukraine is also corrupt and he will be looking after number 1 like the others.
Some weird fuckers on here, sat winnie the poohing in a Ukraine shirt probably as well.
Like I said, some weirdos need to go outside and get some actual friends. (Not just people in their Labour Facebook Groups who send them protest signs for their bedrooms).
Evo1883
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Hopefully peace can be negotiated. I'm not quite sure i agree at all with trumps current stance of " it's all your fault , you're a dictator and your country will pay entirely for this conflict " argument .
But peace must be negotiated but it requires America to take a far more firm stance with Moscow too .
But peace must be negotiated but it requires America to take a far more firm stance with Moscow too .
Grendel
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If "getting shit" is you producing some childish GIF or the regular cliches - such as "the state of you" - I think he will cope.
Nick
Administrator
I'm sure the bracelet-making fan club for Starmer will be after me.
Literally just spend all day finding tweets from other random weirdos for some sort of validation.
Otis
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Hard TO agree, because nearly everything he's been saying has not been true.
He's all but talking like Russia is our friend and Ukraine, our enemy.
Evo1883
Well-Known Member
His rhetoric since becoming president in general has been quite alarming , the bloke and his sidekick are a pair of wankers
Brighton Sky Blue
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Whatever Zelensky has done is nothing compared to what his two counterparts are up to.
shmmeee
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Not that anyone in this thread cares, but here’s what we know about Zelenskys finances.
eu.usatoday.com
Fact check: No proof to back claims on Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's assets and income
An array of media investigations and financial documents found no evidence that Zelenksyy has billions in assets as one viral post claims.
eu.usatoday.com
shmmeee
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And on corruption, not good, like most Eastern European states outside the EU, but miles better than Russia, who are the alternative here.
foreignpolicy.com
Basically the usual suspects are spouting utter bollocks they’ve had fed through their Twitter feed as per.
How Deep Does Corruption Run in Ukraine?
Ukraine has made significant progress fighting graft, but its record continues to haunt it.
foreignpolicy.com
Basically the usual suspects are spouting utter bollocks they’ve had fed through their Twitter feed as per.
Grendel
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And on corruption, not good, like most Eastern European states outside the EU, but miles better than Russia, who are the alternative here.
How Deep Does Corruption Run in Ukraine?
Ukraine has made significant progress fighting graft, but its record continues to haunt it.
Basically the usual suspects are spouting utter bollocks they’ve had fed through their Twitter feed as per.
No one has said he is worth billions have they? Given you frequently use Twitter as a source the irony and lack of self awareness is again hilarious.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
It should have happened ages ago. Weirdly, when I said the same thing a year or so ago, certain people liking your post were a bit more hostile to the idea.
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
You said a year ago that the US needed to be more firm with Russia and that you disagreed that it was all Ukraines fault and people were hostile? Really?
Everyone wants peace. The idea anyone including the Ukrainians don’t is a nonsense. The problem is people don’t think total capitulation will bring peace. But this has been said repeatedly and ignored repeatedly on this thread.
Grendel
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You have stated Russia had to retreat and restore Ukraine as it was at the beginning of the war. This was bonkers and never happening.
mmttww
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Why is it bonkers? You've got what might claim to be a military superpower failing to achieve close to what they wanted, shoved back in some areas, and it's taken c. 500k casualties in the process.
Isolating Russia economically and providing support to Ukraine hasn't led to serious retaliation despite Putin's rhetoric, unless you count snipping some undersea cables. What aces has Putin got to play?
Assertive diplomacy could tell him to take what positive PR he thinks he's gained, spin handing the land back as a victory somehow - not like his public is used to getting any truth from him as it is.
No one of note seems to support the US position on this since Trump came back. All I've read suggests the Russian economy is wrecked. Why would Ukraine and it's allies agree to stop with things as they are?
Sky Blue Pete
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There’s degrees fffs
rob9872
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War is expensive and rarely achieves much other than an excuse to blame someone else for your own shortcomings, whether that be in finance, defence, ability to govern or who's support you need / trade. Basically as long as we keep it all at arms length and repeat 'down with that sort of thing', then it's just media soundbites all round. I accept we have a couple of seemingly dangerous nutters in charge (and no, I dont mean Starmer and Reeves 
) but I dont think Trump is anything more than a pantomime villain in this one and simply wants the glory of saying he's brought world peace whatever concessions might have to be made.
) but I dont think Trump is anything more than a pantomime villain in this one and simply wants the glory of saying he's brought world peace whatever concessions might have to be made.
Nick
Administrator
Don't think I said otherwise did I?
rob9872
Well-Known Member
'fffs'
'For For Fekkin Sake' or 'For Fekkin Fekkin Sake' - forget conflict, the are the answers I crave in life!
mmttww
Well-Known Member
"Transparency International's 2023 Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI), which scored 180 countries on a scale from 0 ("highly corrupt") to 100 ("very clean"), gave Ukraine a score of 36. When ranked by score, Ukraine ranked 104th among the 180 countries in the Index, where the country ranked first is perceived to have the most honest public sector.[28] For comparison with worldwide scores, the best score was 90 (ranked 1), the worst score was 11 (ranked 180), and the average score was 43.[29] For comparison with regional scores, the best score among Eastern European and Central Asian countries [Note 1] was 53, the worst score was 18 and the average score was 35. Commenting on Ukraine's 2023 CPI score, Transparency International noted that Ukraine's score has been improving steadily for 11 years, rising three points from the 2022 score."
Grendel
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it ranks as one of the worst in Europe and its human rights record for minorities is atrocious
rob9872
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For the record I don't think Ukraine is corrupt, but quoting 'perceptions' surely much of that is because of the feeling they've been wronged and without seeing the data, I imagine Russia scores low on the same scale. News, social media, even their own propaganda will add weight to the theory.
SIR ERNIE
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Importantly for Trump, the US electorate support him.
He campaigned that he would halt the flow of taxpayer dollars to Ukraine and that's what he's doing.
Now those voters want to see the receipts for the billions Biden sent there. Seems that's a bit of a problem.
Otis
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Well, do you keep all YOUR receipts?
mmttww
Well-Known Member
If you're concerned about their human rights, I'd guess they'd be more likely to improve with closer ties to the EU and an outcome to the war that's loaded in their favour than if Russia keeps huge chunks of it and has greater influence than it did before the conflict started.
But we've been told for the last 3 years that Biden was only supporting Ukraine for US economic gain.
Grendel
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Well yes Hungary is a land of milk and honey
Brighton Sky Blue
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Trump has been changing by the day the amount he claims Ukraine has received. He did this with the ‘condoms to Hamas’ nonsense too.
If Ukraine had not had American backing early on then Putin would have taken the lot. It needed to be done.
fernandopartridge
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Yes it is, from both of the super powers discussing its future
Grendel
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The naivety on here is astonishing
mmttww
Well-Known Member
Good straw man work as always. I'm not going to get into it with you - we see things fundamentally differently and I cba - but my point was about which of the options would be better. If you actually think they'd have stronger human rights with Russia owning chunks of it, and Russia being enabled by the US to influence what's left, that's confusing.
mmttww
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a bit like your willingness to have two senile pseudo / wannabe fascist dictators carve up a sovereign nation.