They commited a hell of alot of troops and military vehicles for something they don't want. Only cost them a few thousand dead and billions of £ loss'Never fancied her anyway'
I got room for a few, pilled on the lbs since been here, them lángos and chimney cake are too good.
Abramovich can't catch a break at the moment.
BLOOMBERG:
Russia said it was taking steps to “de-escalate” the conflict in Ukraine, pledging to cut back military operations near Kyiv and Chernihiv and holding out the prospect of a meeting between Vladimir Putin and his Ukrainian counterpart Volodymyr Zelenskiy to seal a possible peace deal.
The Russian moves were announced in televised comments by two of Moscow’s negotiators after peace talks held Tuesday in Istanbul. Shortly before their comments, Ukrainian negotiators said no deal had yet been reached but outlined proposals they said they made at the talks.
Vladimir Medinsky, Russia’s chief negotiator, said the talks were “constructive” and the Ukrainian offer would be transmitted to Putin promptly for a response. Russia is willing to consider a presidential meeting at the same time as foreign ministers meet to initial a preliminary deal, he said. Kyiv has long sought direct talks, while Moscow had resisted committing to Putin’s participation.
Deputy Defense Minister Alexander Fomin said the “sharp reduction” in military operations in the Kyiv and Chernihiv areas would take place immediately, with the understanding that Ukrainian forces would reciprocate.
Russian officials last week said they were shifting their military operations to focus on the Donbas region in the east.
Ukraine’s General Staff said earlier Tuesday that some Russian units were withdrawing from the Kyiv and Chernihiv regions after their offensive there stalled. Ukraine on Monday recaptured the Kyiv region town of Irpin and was regaining control of occupied territory, Zelenskiy said in his daily video address.
I suppose it depends where those forces are headed now. Disputed territories, Mariopul, south coast area?Russia pulling out of Kyiv area.
I suppose it depends where those forces are headed now. Disputed territories, Mariopul, south coast area?
Good read from Beevor
Putin Doesn’t Realize How Much Warfare Has Changed
The Russian president’s obsession with World War II is hindering his invasion of Ukraine.www.theatlantic.com
I think wherever those forces are headed it's promising news and a sign of Russia climbing down.
Even before this announcement Ukraine have been taking some ground back around Kyiv.
They know they can't take it so they're telling the domestic audience they're concentrating elsewhere when really it's to avoid a humiliating defeat.
Disagree. Saw some analysis based on Syria that said this is a tactic: move forces to take the east, then everyone from the east moves west again.
Hope it’s not true but wouldn’t be surprised.
Do you have a link to that? Would be interested to read it.
I personally don't think that's possible though. Not against Ukraine. I mean, they can try it.
Sorry it was a random Twitter post so I’ve no hope of finding it again. I might have an overly pessimistic bubble but a lot of what I read isn’t overly optimistic about Ukraine’s chances short of a peace negotiation that means losing the eastern half of the country.
It’s so hard to know who has a clue what they’re on about though.
Disagree. Saw some analysis based on Syria that said this is a tactic: move forces to take the east, then everyone from the east moves west again.
Hope it’s not true but wouldn’t be surprised.
On the face of it this looks like a retreat which is good news for western Ukraine but bad news for Eastern Ukraine as the fighting is now going to follow the Russian troops back into the Donbas. Places such as Donetsk have so far escaped the worst of the fighting / damage.
It could be a precursor to a larger scale missile attack on Western Ukraine - after all, even Russia isn't going to want hundreds or thousands of it's own troops in the firing line and this is a handy way of pulling troops out of the way without giving a hint of what's to come.
It could just simply be that Russia are going to regroup, build up their troop numbers, their munitions, fuel, food, water, better plan supply lines and then push back west when they have strengthened sufficiently. That would be quite a risk however as Ukraine are bound to use any time to do exactly the same themselves and with arms flowing from so many countries they will pose an even bigger obstacle.
Who really knows how this is going to pan out? A month ago I would have said only Putin but the resistance has been so strong that unless he plans to go Nuclear then he's got no idea either.
Like everyone else I've no idea what will happen but if I was a betting man I'd put my money on this being a strategic withdrawal to regroup and resupply with another offensive occurring in the coming months.
Exactly.That may be so, but that of course also gives Ukraine time to reorganise, rearm, receive thousands and thousands more weapons from the West, beef up defences etc.
Exactly.
If Russia temporarily withdraw, this gives everyone a chance to move arms into Ukraine and solidify their defence
Exactly.
If Russia temporarily withdraw, this gives everyone a chance to move arms into Ukraine and solidify their defence
It will either be an accident or the Russians will have done it to blame Ukraine in negotiations. They have already been caught firing on Belarus in the first week trying to blame Ukraine as a way to get Belarus to join the war.Supposedly a Ukranian shell. So false flag or Ukrainian shell it is. What an odd time for something like this to happen, right during peace talks...
You almost want the Russian people to experience similar fear to what their leaders and military have done in Ukraine but then you remind yourself it wasn’t their fault eitherIt will either be an accident or the Russians will have done it to blame Ukraine in negotiations. They have already been caught firing on Belarus in the first week trying to blame Ukraine as a way to get Belarus to join the war.
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