skybluetony176
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How do you define “western soil”?
Ukrainian is a democratic European country. Is that not a western country?
Ukrainian is a democratic European country. Is that not a western country?
I think he means Nato country.How do you define “western soil”?
Ukrainian is a democratic European country. Is that not a western country?
Lads Finland ain’t joining nato
Which makes even less sense because he’s green lighting Russia invading Ireland for example.I think he means Nato country.
Lads Kyiv will fall within days
Because that's really likelyWhich makes even less sense because he’s green lighting Russia invading Ireland for example.
Clearly not but Ireland isn’t the only European country that isn’t a NATO member.Because that's really likely
Of course not but Putin wouldn't be interested in any that wasn't a part of the former Soviet UnionClearly not but Ireland isn’t the only European country that isn’t a NATO member.
@PVA this is a reply to your post can you answer please?
Makes sense but Zelensky seems pretty adament that he won't give up any land, which is what this is all about. I think realistically he'll need to be convinced that we can't prop him up forever and, to give Putin some kind of face saving, he may have to concede the East? Perhaps not a case of who blinks first but who has the mental will to keep going. The Russian public seem brainwashed by the state, would they put up with hardship longer than the rest of Europe? Cost of living, petrol, energy ... and we're not as reliant as some countries. Perhaps find a loophole for Zelensky saying if he signs the dombas over, and without an internal conflict in Ukraine, they can apply for NATO membership and at least have some proper protection in future.Why don't we look at negotiating a peace deal before anymore lines get crossed
So basically Ukraine is right in wanting to join the EU and NATO. There’s much smaller ex soviet countries who have done that and he’s not invading them.Of course not but Putin wouldn't be interested in any that wasn't a part of the former Soviet Union
Of courseSo basically Ukraine is right in wanting to join the EU and NATO. There’s much smaller ex soviet countries who have done that and he’s not invading them.
It’s the only possible answer ultimately to talkSo mediation including zelensky agreeing to Russian take over of occupied territories to Russia is something you’d support?
Putin is clearly trying to goad the west into conflict.Not sure global food shortages and poverty are a price worth paying for a country like Ukraine ? so ultimately at some point decisions will have to be made
Real talk
Negotiating peace is a two-way thing. And Putin seems to be clear that Ukraine under Russian control is the only thing he will accept. If he gets that he then just invades the next place and do we just keep on negotiating peace by giving him what he wants as he expands further and further?Why don't we look at negotiating a peace deal before anymore lines get crossed
What do you think happens if we don't plow money into that war? Putin gets control of a huge amount of agricultural land and supply, which he can then weaponise by cutting the amount sent to other nation and/or to feed his own people. So prices here could well be worse than they are now. Or do we just start bowing down to Putin to keep the bread coming over?At some point , when people are struggling to pay for food and their bills are even more ridiculous .. they will become angry at their leaders for continuing to plow billions into a foreign war thats helping cause it .. we arent at that point yet .. it's what I'm getting at really.
Given the potential food crisis and how much of that comes from the region this may well end up affecting us a lot.If Putin enters western soil clearly then. Frankly though by then he’s armies depleted and exhausted so really it’s not happening
I answered it. Ukraine on its own isn’t abs never will be worth shedding a single uk life for.
A settlement needs to be agreed at some point and the west needs to be honest. It will not ever support Ukraine but it should look to broker a deal to surrender land to Russia and force a peace of sorts through diplomacy
I shouldn't think he'd give a shit.Looking at the losses the Russians are still having inflicted on them and the age of the equipment they are having to ready someone should teach Putin about Pyrrhus of Epirus.
I shouldn't think he'd give a shit.
I shouldn't think he'd give a shit.
Given the potential food crisis and how much of that comes from the region this may well end up affecting us a lot.
As for a settlement, any deal to surrender land will just embolden Putin, he will send his 'separatists' further in and displace the local population until such time as apparently it wants to secede. And we're back where we started just a bit further in and that 'diplomatic peace' is proven to be nothing but a sham. "Peace in our time."
I sure as hell don't want a full on war, but I'm also not naive enough to think Putin will ever stop. History is filled with warnings of others with his mindset and that is always what happens until they're stopped.
I keep hearing this and despite the fact that Putin looks a bit bloated or overweight, I haven't come across anything to suggest he's in any way ill. . Mad yes, but I think we're all a bit wishful thinking . Pity really.Putin is clearly trying to goad the west into conflict.
I'm certain the man is very seriously ill, possibly terminally.
I keep hearing this and despite the fact that Putin looks a bit bloated or overweight, I haven't come across anything to suggest he's in any way ill. . Mad yes, but I think we're all a bit wishful thinking . Pity really.
Us intelligence released statement like 3 weeks ago saying he was treated for cancer in February and AprilI keep hearing this and despite the fact that Putin looks a bit bloated or overweight, I haven't come across anything to suggest he's in any way ill. . Mad yes, but I think we're all a bit wishful thinking . Pity really.
That's bad news then. The treatment.Us intelligence released statement like 3 weeks ago saying he was treated for cancer in February and April
And to think Ukraine have nearly 1million trained fighting age men ready to go at the end of the month, if they get the weapons they require I think it will be a very very high death toll but Ukraine victory by end of summerAccording to all the front line action clips on YouTube, you'd be forgiven for thinking Russia must have no men of fighting age left in the whole country!
And to think Ukraine have nearly 1million trained fighting age men ready to go at the end of the month, if they get the weapons they require I think it will be a very very high death toll but Ukraine victory by end of summer
Doubt it, but I think they could if they really wanted to, I just don’t see the point most there are already probably Russian brainwashedDo you see that as re-taking Crimea as well as everything else?
I hate to say it, but I think the west will drip feed only enough military hardware to keep Ukrain in the fight. It suits NATO (the Americans mainly) to see Russia worn down both militarily and financially, and that requires a long war of attrician which will mean multi million dollar arms contracts. Which will benefit western economies during a time of recession.And to think Ukraine have nearly 1million trained fighting age men ready to go at the end of the month, if they get the weapons they require I think it will be a very very high death toll but Ukraine victory by end of summer
Good post. The US always likes a war at a time of recession.I hate to say it, but I think the west will drip feed only enough military hardware to keep Ukrain in the fight. It suits NATO (the Americans mainly) to see Russia worn down both militarily and financially, and that requires a long war of attrician which will mean multi million dollar arms contracts. Which will benefit western economies during a time of recession.
(Ironically a recession partly caused by the same war) it's a fucked up world we live in.
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