Hope you’re hydrating properly this morning Grendel…..O’Day and ADM aren’t even up yet, still fumbling around for the Berocca
Hope you’re hydrating properly this morning Grendel…..O’Day and ADM aren’t even up yet, still fumbling around for the BeroccaPrecisely and the subsequent pushing of NATO and even the absurd suggestion that they could be considered for EU membership has meant the invasion risk was intensified
Sounds like victim blaming to me
I thought you believed in sovereignty. Because it suspiciously sounds like you’re suggesting that Ukrainian doesn’t deserve it’s own sovereignty to choose it’s own destination and should instead dance to the tune that Russia plays otherwise it’s Ukrainians fault if Russia invades it. Strange stance from a Brexit supporter.Precisely and the subsequent pushing of NATO and even the absurd suggestion that they could be considered for EU membership has meant the invasion risk was intensified
i'm awake fella, just enjoying grenners burying himselfHope you’re hydrating properly this morning Grendel…..O’Day and ADM aren’t even up yet, still fumbling around for the Berocca
i'm awake fella, just enjoying grenners burying himself
how is the head? you had a right stinker last nightResorting to sharing PMs between you and Dongles incarnation "Gregbant" is a sign of a man already buried
I thought you believed in sovereignty. Because it suspiciously sounds like you’re suggesting that Ukrainian doesn’t deserve it’s own sovereignty to choose it’s own destination and should instead dance to the tune that Russia plays otherwise it’s Ukrainians fault if Russia invades it. Strange stance from a Brexit supporter.
how is the head? you had a right stinker last night
how much do you remember?
I guess on this basis Finland is also provoking a Russian invasion.
no one has mentioned a park bench mate, the "wife" kicked you out?It is strange David how everyone who backs you into a corner is a piss stained drunk living on a park bench.
Finland as far as I am aware is recognised as a separate Country and is not considered in any shape or form a Russian state
So you consider Ukraine a Russian state?
No but its what Russia thinks and the provocation is clearly the suggestion of further NATO movement to the Russian border in addition to the bonkers comment by Von De Lyon or whatever she is called that EU membership would be considered. Neither of these suggestions were ever going to be tolerated by the Kremlin
Precisely and the subsequent pushing of NATO and even the absurd suggestion that they could be considered for EU membership has meant the invasion risk was intensified
Sounds like the kind of thing Putin would say.No but its what Russia thinks and the provocation is clearly the suggestion of further NATO movement to the Russian border in addition to the bonkers comment by Von De Lyon or whatever she is called that EU membership would be considered. Neither of these suggestions were ever going to be tolerated by the Kremlin
He doesn't believe the shit he is spouting but he's so far down the shitposting rabbit hole there's no way back for him.His posts in here over the last year suddenly make a lot more sense now but crikey these takes are absolutely batshit.
His posts in here over the last year suddenly make a lot more sense now but crikey these takes are absolutely batshit.
An Irishman told me all about it in a bar in Belfast, what happened back then was shocking really and I'd imagine that >90% of us in England know nothing about itWow I’m not.
germany still teach their mistakes and how to avoid those same mistakes
It's Batshit to in anyway justify the actions of Putin which is what you are doing.They aren’t at all batshit - what’s batshit is the absurd belief Putin is just going to retreat and disappear
From a Ukrainian point of view the Russian land grabs made them fearful of further land grabs. NATO was seen by the Ukrainian people as the only security that could have against this. The same reason other former Soviet bloc states joined in the first place. They didn't join to be closer to the West but to ensure they didn't suffer Russian occupation again.Precisely and the subsequent pushing of NATO and even the absurd suggestion that they could be considered for EU membership has meant the invasion risk was intensified
You never did answer my question as to whether you thought Russia’s response to these ‘provocations’ were proportionate.No but its what Russia thinks and the provocation is clearly the suggestion of further NATO movement to the Russian border in addition to the bonkers comment by Von De Lyon or whatever she is called that EU membership would be considered. Neither of these suggestions were ever going to be tolerated by the Kremlin
You never did answer my question as to whether you thought Russia’s response to these ‘provocations’ were proportionate.
Finland as far as I am aware is recognised as a separate Country and is not considered in any shape or form a Russian stat
So is Ukraine. Even Russia recognises this through the Belavezha Accord and the Budapest Memorandum. Not to mention that Ukrainian had a referendum on independence with the blessing of Russian where they voted overwhelmingly in favour of independence, including in Crimea. You’re utterly clueless.Finland as far as I am aware is recognised as a separate Country and is not considered in any shape or form a Russian state
Bloody Russians, they meddle in everyone’s independence. Wikipedia is bollocks of course. The whole region is unbelievable.
Following Swedish losses in the 1808-1809 Finnish War with Russia, Finland became part of the Russian Empire from 1809 until its independence in 1917. Finland was a Grand Duchy of the Russian Empire, although during this time it retained many of the laws that it had adopted while part of Sweden.
Finland as a part of the Russian Empire 1809–1917
Russia captured the region of Finland from Sweden in 1808–1809. Finland became an autonomic part of Imperial Russia and most of the laws from the time of the Swedish rule remained in force. During the Russian rule, Finland became a special region developed by order of the Emperor. For example, Helsinki city centre was built during Russian rule.
Starting from 1899, Russia tightened its grip on the Grand Duchy of Finland. Finland did not take part in World War I, but nationalism also had an influence on the region of Finland. Finland was granted its own parliament in 1906, and the first elections were held in 1907. Finland declared independence on 6 December 1917, and the Bolshevik government that seized power in the October Revolution in Russia recognised Finnish independence on 31 December 1917.
Important events
1812 Helsinki becomes the capital
1827 The old capital Turku is destroyed in a fire, emphasising Helsinki’s standing
1860 Finland adopts its own currency, the markka
1906 Universal and equal right to vote, also for women
6 December 1917 Finland declares independence
Do you have a list of countries which aren’t really independent, sovereign states as they claim to be? Or is it just Ukraine?Hardly the same is it
Do you have a list of countries which aren’t really independent, sovereign states as they claim to be? Or is it just Ukraine?
So do you think Argentina should just invade the Falkland’s again? The Falklands isn’t in NATO after all.Its nothing to do with being really independent or any of this nonsense
What actually this really is about is in simple terms are Russia a threat to the NATO countries or not
My view is not. Therefore as a non Nato country we are not required to defend Ukraine
I do not see Russia as a threat - it’s clear they are in dialogue with the White House and are not planning to invade western Nato countries
The only threat to world peace - which frankly is all I care about - is if we continue this folly of supplying more and more military hardware to a country we have nothing to gain from if it’s free or not
Is it a good thing that Putin has done - well clearly no it isn’t - do I support it - no I don’t. But then I don’t support any military conflicts. I don’t think it impacts us and therefore our aim should be to broker peace not more war, death, misery and a real risk of escalation
I hope that’s clear enough for you
So do you think Argentina should just invade the Falkland’s again? The Falklands isn’t in NATO after all.
What did Cyprus have to do with anything? You dimwitWhat has that got to do with anything you dimwit
A lot to unpack there (sovereign independence = nonsense?) but my main question boils down to this - if it’s wrong for us to perceive Russia as a threat, why is it legitimate for Russia to perceive NATO as one?Its nothing to do with being really independent or any of this nonsense
What actually this really is about is in simple terms are Russia a threat to the NATO countries or not
My view is not. Therefore as a non Nato country we are not required to defend Ukraine
I do not see Russia as a threat - it’s clear they are in dialogue with the White House and are not planning to invade western Nato countries
The only threat to world peace - which frankly is all I care about - is if we continue this folly of supplying more and more military hardware to a country we have nothing to gain from if it’s free or not
Is it a good thing that Putin has done - well clearly no it isn’t - do I support it - no I don’t. But then I don’t support any military conflicts. I don’t think it impacts us and therefore our aim should be to broker peace not more war, death, misery and a real risk of escalation
I hope that’s clear enough for you
Far be it for me to give you a second history lesson in the same day but the Falklands is not under the protection of NATO, I was only 9 when the Falklands was invaded by Argentina but still remember that NATO wouldn’t get involved because members territory south of the Tropic of Cancer are not under the protection of NATO. You’re intimating that we should only give protection to territories under the protection of NATO. On that basis you’re saying that the Falklands is fair game for Argentina.What has that got to do with anything you dimwit
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