skybluetony176
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I’m not sure what your point is. Are you saying we shouldn’t support Ukraine in defence of its own country because no one helped out Iraq?
I’m not sure what your point is. Are you saying we shouldn’t support Ukraine in defence of its own country because no one helped out Iraq?The west also “wholesale invaded” another countries. If they’d had the level of funding going to Ukraine I’m sure they’d also have been able to put up a fight.
And I don’t know anyone who doesn’t think that Tony Blair isn’t a war criminal, either at the time or retrospectively including a cousin of mine who fought in the first gulf war. I’m not sure what your point is unless you’re arguing that 2 wrongs make a right.
I criticised all of them too. As did Mr Corbyn curiouslyThe west has been taking part in enforced regime change over the last couple of decades and killing innocent people - there wasn’t the same level of concern then.
Like Ukraine I voted in free, open elections. Russia doesn’t. The people of Ukraine voted to be closer to Europe. The despot dictator in Russia didn’t like it so invaded, first in a proxy war then in a full scale invasion. You seem to be oblivious to the fact that you had the option of voting Blair and Cameron out, whether you’d help vote them in or not is irrelevant. Russians will not have the same luxury.We all know you are a political chameleon - my point is most people on here will have voted for Blair before, during and after the Gulf War. You I assume voted for Cameron despite his meddling in Syria
If Ukraine was sine far flung place of zero strategic interest no one would give a flying fuck about it
Like Ukraine I voted in free, open elections. Russia doesn’t. The people of Ukraine voted to be closer to Europe. The despot dictator in Russia didn’t like it so invaded, first in a proxy war then in a full scale invasion. You seem to be oblivious to the fact that you had the option of voting Blair and Cameron out, whether you’d help vote them in or not is irrelevant. Russians will not have the same luxury.
Just because Ukraine isn’t a far flung country country of no strategic importance is not a reason to not help them. You’re arguing against yourself.
He’s as daft as Putinsaw an interesting roundtable of former US & European intelligence heads and politicians discuss this last week. They concluded Trump playing to his audience but the reality is US needs European alliance/support due to the increasing closeness of Russia & China. He may apply pressure to get Ukraine to make some concessions but can't afford to let Russia get too much so wouldn't pull the plug enough to allow Russia to hold everything it has taken.
incredible and you teach children
His contrarian online persona has gone down a rabbit holeFucking hell. Your constant defence of Russia is just dreadful.
“Iraq was bad because a sovereign nation was invaded. So we shouldn’t stop a sovereign nation being invaded because that would be bad. Iamverysmart”
You backed the illegal invasion I think?
You said Russia was provoked into invading Ukraine. Just contrarian posting, I get it, but even so.
Russia: bombs schools and hospitals, fires a tank round at an elderly civilian couple from point blank range, shells 'safe' humanitarian corridors, beheads captives
Grendel: Russia was provoked.
Ukraine: makes a shitty phone call
Grendel: This must be condemned. Ukraine should cede to Russia. Erm...Tony Blair.
I said the provocation from a Russian mindset - its not even disputed by US political figures
You have also said you thought it best to let Putin crack on with it and that Ukraine should accept giving him territory in exchange for peace. You’re either being a contrarian or actually empathise with the invasion
So by that reasoning you must back the invasion of Iraq because it has strategical value to us.I accept the ukraines desire to defend its territory - it’s their legitimate right. I reject the strategy we have adopted in making any attempt to defend Ukraine - it has no strategic importance to us
I accept the ukraines desire to defend its territory - it’s their legitimate right. I reject the strategy we have adopted in making any attempt to defend Ukraine - it has no strategic importance to us
Is strategic importance the only relevant criteria? Also does it really have no strategic importance. The real reason is that it is not part of NATO surely?I accept the ukraines desire to defend its territory - it’s their legitimate right. I reject the strategy we have adopted in making any attempt to defend Ukraine - it has no strategic importance to us
So does Ukraine, both in terms of geography and food security.So by that reasoning you must back the invasion of Iraq because it has strategical value to us.
young stalin was better looking than grenners ever wasGrendel's 'hilarious' new profile header image says it all really.
He's so cool.
young stalin was better looking than grenners ever was
I think it's more important to show the human side of you before the political sometimesThat isn’t controversial surely? It’s a statement of fact.
I disagree
Should another country invade north Korea the attitude towards said country would be completely different .. such is life
I'm not sure what you mean by that. It isn't controversial to say that in order for the fighting to stop Putin needs to withdraw his forces.I think it's more important to show the human side of you before the political sometimes
I think the video is disgraceful , shows a real neanderthal attitude during conflict..I'm not sure what you mean by that. It isn't controversial to say that in order for the fighting to stop Putin needs to withdraw his forces.
I agreeSo does Ukraine, both in terms of geography and food security.
It's a vast amount of territory on the doorstep of central Europe and home to a considerable chunk of food and natural resource supply. I think allowing Putin to have some or all of it would be a grave error.Which is fine and an interest based on concern - I think its nonsense - but at least its not purely emotional angst.
Why do people think I support the video?I think the video is disgraceful , shows a real neanderthal attitude during conflict..
Can you imagine if British or iraqi soldiers did the same during that conflict?
Of course its nonsense. Russia is the US big bad boogeyman and the rest of us - well mostly us actually - just fall in line, salute the star spangled banner and obey.People only really care because our government told them to care , and our media told them to care , Ukraine is home to some of the most violent right wing nutters in Europe, as is Russia.
It's all nonsense
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