Flying Fokker
Well-Known Member
Russia is the best innit.
Russia is the best innit.So after 90 odd pages on this ,
just remind me why Putin has invaded. I've forgotten. Genuinely.
A couple of posts above yours there is a YouTube summary of why he did it.So after 90 odd pages on this ,
just remind me why Putin has invaded. I've forgotten. Genuinely.
The MAGA clowns probably think that US soldiers are woke traitors (they do celebrate pride after all) and part of the new world order and see Putin and his allies as MAGA allies so it was fair game. I know it sounds like I’m being flippant but there’s a video going around of MAGA supporters at Trump rallies saying they’d rather live under an invading Putin dictatorship than Biden. It’s like the BUF being pro Nazi in WW2 hoping that the UK would lose so they could be a Nazi Vichy government.Must be some major mental gymnastics going on with the MAGA clowns now.
Spend the past few years supporting Russia, now Russia's ally kills 3 US soldiers. Bet they're frothing at the mouth to strike back hard. Wonder if the penny will drop...of course it won't.
"Democracy is suspended in Ukraine"
I mean honestly what kind of fucking bullshit is that.
I'm sure it's all because Zelensky is corrupt and nothing to do with the 300,000 Russians in Ukraine trying to destroy it's very existence.
We didn’t have a GE for 10 years last time the country was in a long protracted war. I’m amazed that anyone seriously expected Ukraine to have a GE under the current circumstances."Democracy is suspended in Ukraine"
I mean honestly what kind of fucking bullshit is that.
I'm sure it's all because Zelensky is corrupt and nothing to do with the 300,000 Russians in Ukraine trying to destroy it's very existence.
Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in Europe, regardless of what Russia has done.
Russia is officially the most corrupt country in Europe. I’m not sure what your point is.Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in Europe, regardless of what Russia has done.
I think it's quite obvious what the point is.Russia is officially the most corrupt country in Europe. I’m not sure what your point is.
Where have I compared Ukraine to Russia? I said it's one of the most corrupt countries in Europe, which is most certainly the case and was before Russia invaded.It's a bit rich coming from anyone British (or obviously, Russian) these days.
Ukraine, at least, is improving its record on corruption, we're getting worse, and Russia has been bent for so long it's miles beyond a joke.
Plus, it's completely fucking irrelevant, unless you think Russia invaded Ukraine in order to establish a model of rectitude and democracy.
So why bring it up? What’s the relevance?I think it's quite obvious what the point is.
It's one of the most corrupt countries in Europe. I hadn't made any comparison to Russia.
Erm...because there's a discussion above about corruption. I don't see what the issue actually is in pointing these things out.So why bring it up? What’s the relevance?
I think some people sense an implication that Ukraine’s problems with corruption somehow undermine the case for supporting it against the Russian invasion. Is that fair?Erm...because there's a discussion above about corruption. I don't see what the issue actually is in pointing these things out.
In context to a suspended GE due to the ongoing Russian invasion. Were you agreeing with the premise that the election was cancelled due to corruption rather than the war? Not sure what else you’re supposed to take from you going straight to corruption.Erm...because there's a discussion above about corruption. I don't see what the issue actually is in pointing these things out.
Which would be really mental if that was your logic for “picking a side”. Given that it’s been invaded by the most corrupt country in Europe. Unless you’re pro corruption of course.I think some people sense an implication that Ukraine’s problems with corruption somehow undermine the case for supporting it against the Russian invasion. Is that fair?
I think some people sense an implication that Ukraine’s problems with corruption somehow undermine the case for supporting it against the Russian invasion. Is that fair?
There is pretty much no historical precedent for a country of Ukraine’s size holding an election while it’s in the middle of an invasion or existential military threat. If we’re going to play the game of quoting opinion polls in lieu of actually knowing what real people on the ground are saying, the vast majority of Ukrainians appear to support delaying the elections until the war is over.
In context to a suspended GE due to the ongoing Russian invasion. Were you agreeing with the premise that the election was cancelled due to corruption rather than the war? Not sure what else you’re supposed to take from you going straight to corruption.
What about us?We didn’t have a GE for 10 years last time the country was in a long protracted war. I’m amazed that anyone seriously expected Ukraine to have a GE under the current circumstances.
Not really; I have concerns about the prospect of it joining the EU and the high level of corruption.I think some people sense an implication that Ukraine’s problems with corruption somehow undermine the case for supporting it against the Russian invasion. Is that fair?
Classic straw man.And that corruption is the biggest threat to democracy in Ukraine, not the 300,000 Russian troops in the country trying to wipe them off the map!
Not really; I have concerns about the prospect of it joining the EU and the high level of corruption.
Classic straw man.
No one mentioned the election anyway
Care to address my actual view rather than attributing one to suit your argument?Good lord, the irony.
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