No answer to the question though.
You want the war to stop, apparently. Russia fucking off out of Ukraine would stop the war. Therefore you must support this, yes?
Got nothing to do with what will or might happen, just what YOU think of that proposal hypothetically.
He was very famously a vegetarian. You really do know fuck all about fuck all.I don’t think it would stop the war but make the bombing and destruction far worse.
Is this serious? Perhaps Adolf should have quit and we’d all be happy ever after as he’d have just stayed at home and ate Bratwurst for the rest of his life?
He was very famously a vegetarian. You really do know fuck all about fuck all.
This is it. Putin embodies the state, and due to his cult of personality, any criticism of him is deemed a criticism of Russia and its people, when in actuality it's not.500k people is absolutely tragic.
I know Russia started the invasion n but it's Putin in reality. Some poor c**t sat in Rostov and packed off to the front to be fed into the meat grinder is horrible.
We, as a species, should have moved past all this by now.
Right...so Russia stopping trying to take over Ukraine will lead to increased bombing and destruction.I don’t think it would stop the war but make the bombing and destruction far worse.
Is this serious? Perhaps Adolf should have quit and we’d all be happy ever after as he’d have just stayed at home and ate Bratwurst for the rest of his life?
Right...so Russia stopping trying to take over Ukraine will lead to increased bombing and destruction.
You know, you would probably wouldn’t get accused of being pro Russian if you didn’t keep quoting Putins dodgy dossier dressed up as an historical fact essay “On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians”. You even buy into his self proclaimed image that he’s a Romanov, the truth is he’s more Ivan the Terrible as any Russian historian worth their salt will tell you. And you accuse me of copy and pasting.Well it’s hardly difficult.
The only way that it happens is forced retreat. Putin will then either reek huge military vengeance or he is replaced by someone else who will probably worse.
Putin has no desire to return the Soviet block. He’s not interested - he’s far more akin to the pre Bolshevik views - those of the Ramonovs.
Crimeria has always been seen as Russian. It was in Russia and not the Soviet Block until the 50’s and its population have always been Russian. Gorbachov was a vein man seduced by western glamour and his biggest error was allowing a Russian dominated area to become part of Ukrainian independence
So the hypothesis is stupid anyway and the notion Putin would retreat without consequence is absurd.
The mindset of the country is very different to that of the West. This is something that a lot of people are oblivious to.This is it. Putin embodies the state, and due to his cult of personality, any criticism of him is deemed a criticism of Russia and its people, when in actuality it's not.
Russia is not the problem, it's Putin and his stranglehold over a country that has not really seen any semblance of the democracy it claims to have.
You know, you would probably wouldn’t get accused of being pro Russian if you didn’t keep quoting Putins dodgy dossier dressed up as an historical fact essay “On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians”. You even buy into his self proclaimed image that he’s a Romanov, the truth is he’s more Ivan the Terrible as any Russian historian worth their salt will tell you. And you accuse me of copy and pasting.
The mindset of the country is very different to that of the West. This is something that a lot of people are oblivious to.
Except when Russia renounced all claims to Crimea, and Russia agreed with Ukraine and signed the Budapest memorandum agreeing to uphold its territorial integrity.There is zero evidence that Putin would make any attempt to return to the old Soviet Block - its a US driven narrative.
His actions are far more akin to pre Bolshevik days - this is hardly a radical opinion. The notion he wishes to annex former USSR states and return them to Moscow control is far more extreme and not evidenced by his actions to date.
Crimea has in reality been Russian for most of the post 17th century and its people are Russian in origin.
Not really brought anything new to the conversation, as that is pretty much what I just said... cult of personality has been created, simple as that.The mindset of the country is very different to that of the West. This is something that a lot of people are oblivious to.
The notion he wishes to annex former USSR states and return them to Moscow control is far more extreme and not evidenced by his actions to date.
Except when Russia renounced all claims to Crimea, and Russia agreed with Ukraine and signed the Budapest memorandum agreeing to uphold its territorial integrity.
Patent rubbish that Putin doesn't want a return to the the good old USSR days. You can ignore all evidence to the contrary if you want, though.
It’s not just Putin, it’s a completely different mindset to the West and was way before Putin.Not really brought anything new to the conversation, as that is pretty much what I just said... cult of personality has been created, simple as that.
Not really brought anything new to the conversation, as that is pretty much what I just said... cult of personality has been created, simple as that.
Yeah, the fact that Putin invaded a sovereign nation in defiance of a UN Treaty explicitly stating they wouldn't.Can you supply the evidence to support your view?
Yeah, the fact that Putin invaded a sovereign nation in defiance of a UN Treaty explicitly stating they wouldn't.
Interesting... why do they constituently claim to be a democracy then?Its nothing to do with cult of personality. You are oblivious to the fact Russia and its people are opposed to Western democracy. They will never want it. The west see Gorbachov as a hero - he is despised in Russia.
Sorry, it is. Based on the available facts, the only conclusion that can be drawn from Putin invading Ukraine, in defiance of a UN treaty, of a nation that once was part of the USSR, is that he wants to reclaim Ukraine or parts of it into the territorial regions of Russia.No sorry that’s not evidence he wishes to return to the old USSR - that’s what I want to see
Interesting... why do they constituently claim to be a democracy then?
Sorry, it is. Based on the available facts, the only conclusion that can be drawn from Putin invading Ukraine, in defiance of a UN treaty, of a nation that once was part of the USSR, is that he wants to reclaim Ukraine or parts of it into the territorial regions of Russia.
Putin is obsessed with Russian history and he's made it quite clear he thinks Ukraine is Russian land that needs to be reclaimed.
It was mainly Ukrainians and citizens of the other countries that lost everything overnight.So do North Korea - it’s not interesting at all and not relevant to the point the Russian people saw a catastrophic impact on their lives when Gorbachov was in power. Many lost everything overnight.
Of course having a hopeless drunk in charge post Gorbachov was equally catastrophic and no one denies Putin is a money making gangster but this isn’t changing for the better.
What sort of logic do you use, my man? I ask the same thing of North Korea, why do they need to claim to be something apparently the people don't believe in or want?So do North Korea - it’s not interesting at all and not relevant to the point the Russian people saw a catastrophic impact on their lives when Gorbachov was in power. Many lost everything overnight.
Of course having a hopeless drunk in charge post Gorbachov was equally catastrophic and no one denies Putin is a money making gangster but this isn’t changing for the better.
What am I supposed to be disputing exactly?Well no one is disputing that - Tony is actually so this could be interesting
You have a quite juvenile debating style, which is not conducive to a good discussion, so I might be wasting my time. However, I'll give you another chance. Do you know what evidence is?That’s hilarious
It’s not that they want to be repressed but it’s a much greater collective society than the West with a very different mindset.“No no the people want to be brutally repressed”
This thread is the gift that keeps on giving.
You have a quite juvenile debating style, which is not conducive to a good discussion, so I might be wasting my time. However, I'll give you another chance. Do you know what evidence is?
The evidence is; Russia agreed to uphold the territorial integrity of Ukraine. Russia illegally annexed three parts of Ukraine into its territory (remember, it invaded and then absorbed the territories), Russia has claimed wrongly of Nazism in Ukraine, Russia has denied Ukraine's right to statehood. All available evidence, that is all evidence, concludes it is more likely than any other possibility that Putin has an irredentist agenda.
Never said he did want East Berlin back, but I reckon he would if he could. Why do I say this? Because Russia has meddled with multiple former Soviet states, just ask Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova.It’s evidence Putin wants to return Ukraine to Russia - not he suddenly wants East Berlin back is it?
Never said he did want East Berlin back, but I reckon he would if he could. Why do I say this? Because Russia has meddled with multiple former Soviet states, just ask Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova.
Nah, I am sure he just wants Ukraine and that's it...
Return to Russia. Lifted straight out of Putins dressed up dossier On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians that you seem so convinced is historically accurate.It’s evidence Putin wants to return Ukraine to Russia - not he suddenly wants East Berlin back is it?
Return to Russia. Lifted straight out of Putins dressed up dossier On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians that you seem so convinced is historically accurate.
And East Berlin was not part of the USSR dumbo.
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