USSR invades Ukraine. (4 Viewers)

[Diogenes]

Pro-Ukrainian Russian Troops In U.S.-Made Stryker Vehicles Just Launched A Pointless Invasion Of Russia. Meanwhile, Ukrainian Defenses Crumble For A Want Of Manpower.

Who authorized the Liberty of Russia Legion’s wasteful cross-border attack?

www.forbes.com

[

 

---

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So people just surrender as they are bored by Russian propaganda? If they see through that I am sure they would carry on debating the issue as with every other political thread would they not?

In my case at least it’s become a tiresome debate. I still believe that allowing Ukraine to be swallowed up by Russia will have serious consequences for Europe, you don’t think it will matter that much and that’s the root of the disagreement.

You and others do seem to get weirdly excited when the dial tilts in Russia’s favour I will add.

 

[torchomatic]

Flabbergasted at Putin's hypocrisy accusing Ukraine of "major provocation" with their incursion in Russian territory.

 

[skybluetony176]

Flabbergasted at Putin's hypocrisy accusing Ukraine of "major provocation" with their incursion in Russian territory.

Has Ukraine confirmed it? Russia has a history of false flag attacks if only for a pro war headline at home.

 

[Sick Boy]

It’d be interesting to know what the long term strategy behind the attack is.

 

[torchomatic]

Has Ukraine confirmed it? Russia has a history of false flag attacks if only for a pro war headline at home.

Official sources have apparently verified. He has accused Ukraine of "invading Russia and attacking its citizens". Would be funny if it wasn't so deadly.

It was an air and ground offensive apparently. It is continuing today.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

Apparently they are 15km into Russia and are apparently trying to block a route where Russia are planning to move large numbers of troops to the north for another incursion. It also seems to be taking some Russian soldiers away from the Donetsk area.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It’d be interesting to know what the long term strategy behind the attack is.

Probably diversionary

 

[PVA]

Flabbergasted at Putin's hypocrisy accusing Ukraine of "major provocation" with their incursion in Russian territory.

I guess Russia shouldn't have poked the bear

 

[PVA]

They should try a Wagner style push towards Moscow. Would be amusing to see a small force make it all the way when Russia have spent 3 and a half years throwing the kitchen sink and getting nowhere.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

They should try a Wagner style push towards Moscow. Would be amusing to see a small force make it all the way when Russia have spent 3 and a half years throwing the kitchen sink and getting nowhere.

When Hitler went all in on the invasion of Poland, Germany itself wasn’t particularly well defended and Britain/France could actually have caused some damage had they gone for it.

Putin likewise has thrown everything he has at Ukraine on the assumption that his own territory won’t be attacked.

 

[PVA]

When Hitler went all in on the invasion of Poland, Germany itself wasn’t particularly well defended and Britain/France could actually have caused some damage had they gone for it.

Putin likewise has thrown everything he has at Ukraine on the assumption that his own territory won’t be attacked.

How far did Wagner get, like 150 miles from Moscow or something?

Russia seemingly has no reserves and breaking the lines gives a free run.

No idea how big this force is though

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

How far did Wagner get, like 150 miles from Moscow or something?

Russia seemingly has no reserves and breaking the lines gives a free run.

No idea how big this force is though

Seems a small one. But if you concentrated enough force and broke through the Russians near the border, you wouldn’t have much between you and the capital. Particularly if it were air supported.

I wonder if Ukraine seized and held some Russian territory if the Grendels of this world would argue that Putin should formally hand it over in the name of peace

 

[Grendel]

Nice to see a couple of armchair generals back - and clearly on LSD

 

[Diogenes]

How far did Wagner get, like 150 miles from Moscow or something?

Russia seemingly has no reserves and breaking the lines gives a free run.

No idea how big this force is though

Wagner got nowhere near Moscow.

The Sumy/Kursk border region is lightly defended on the russian side by conscripts - one of the reasons too there's been a decent number of POWs taken by the Ukrainians.

This will swing around when Russia brings reinforcements into play. Ukrainian defences are falling like domino's in donbass, fortifications they have spent years building up. There's no way they hold on to this.

It's another Zelensky/Budanov PR trick which will backfire and result in massive casualties for nothing. If the resources being put into this are true, then it's a criminal waste given the situation in the east.

 

[Diogenes]

When Hitler went all in on the invasion of Poland, Germany itself wasn’t particularly well defended and Britain/France could actually have caused some damage had they gone for it.

Putin likewise has thrown everything he has at Ukraine on the assumption that his own territory won’t be attacked.

So we are back to Ukraine is winning again now?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So we are back to Ukraine is winning again now?

View attachment 37549

You seriously drew that conclusion from my post? Good grief

 

[duffer]

It’d be interesting to know what the long term strategy behind the attack is.

Divert forces, damage supply lines, lower civilian morale, I'd guess.

Surely Putin should sue for peace immediately on whatever terms the Ukrainians offer, rather than risk the loss of more lives?

 

[PVA]

Wagner got nowhere near Moscow.

150 miles or something. They could quite easily have got their if they wanted, there was nothing stopping them.

 

[PVA]

They have already got further with this little incursion than Russia's Kharkiv offensive which was labelled as an incredible success and a sign that the end is near for Ukraine.

 

[Diogenes]

They have already got further with this little incursion than Russia's Kharkiv offensive which was labelled as an incredible success and a sign that the end is near for Ukraine.

They have advanced further but to what end?

The Russian Kharkov offensive is unlikely to be an attempt at taking the city given the forces committed, but more a fixing operation to force ukraine to spread its already thin manpower even thinner.

The Ukrainians may have the same intentions here, to make Russian forces tear away from following up their advances in donbass. Depending on the size of the Ukr forces, this could work, however they themselves would need to remove forces from the Donbass as theg simply dont have sufficient reserves to throw into this. Transferring them form donbass in large numbers would probably trigger a collapse of their lines in donbass.

Realistically speaking, Russia is unlikely to need to switch forces from other combat areas as they have been building up reserves.

 

[skybluetony176]

150 miles or something. They could quite easily have got their if they wanted, there was nothing stopping them.

It was about 60 IIRC. Almost took Russia in a Saturday morning. 4 years later Putin still embarrassing himself on a daily basis failing to take a country nobody expected to last 4 days. The Ukrainians are tough and determined but really the two things are a measure of how awful Putin is at war. Pure Napoleon complex.

 

[PVA]

The Russian Kharkov offensive is unlikely to be an attempt at taking the city given the forces committed, but more a fixing operation to force ukraine to spread its already thin manpower even thinner.

The Kharkiv offensive was an absolute disaster for Russia.

 

[Diogenes]

The Kharkiv offensive was an absolute disaster for Russia.

What was the goal of the operation?

 

[PVA]

What was the goal of the operation?

We'll never really know, but whatever it was they didn't achieve anything. If it was an attempt to capture Kharkiv then it's clear that failed. Was it to fix some Ukrainian forces? Maybe. But internal lines of communication makes that a lot easier for Ukraine than Russia.

They suffered incredible losses and critically it reversed the White house decision about using western weapons to strike Russian territory. That was a huge advantage that Russia had and they threw it away.

You don't lose 20,000 men or whatever it was in a fixing operation.

It was a total failure.

 

[PVA]

Crikey, reports of up to 25k Ukrainians in this ‘incursion’. Didn’t think it would be anywhere near that. I hope they know what they’re doing…

 

[skybluetony176]

Crikey, reports of up to 25k Ukrainians in this ‘incursion’. Didn’t think it would be anywhere near that. I hope they know what they’re doing…

Presumably they’re going circumnavigate the minefields Russia has installed across the front line in Ukraine by invading Russia, turning right, re-enter occupied Ukraine and attack the Russian lines from behind in a classic pincer movement. They’ve had little joy attacking across the minefields for obvious reasons. Alternatively it strengthens their hand in any negotiations. We’ll leave your territory if you leave ours. Who knows. Either way Putin is rattled. The 4 day special operation is not going to plan.

 

[PVA]

Day 900 of the 3 day war - Russia is bombing itself

 

[Grendel]

Day 900 of the 3 day war - Russia is bombing itself

It will carry on for another 5 years if Kamala Harris wins - enjoy the death and destruction as the proxy war continues

 

[Como]

Should not a lot of these posts be in a Ukraine invades Russia thread?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It will carry on for another 5 years if Kamala Harris wins - enjoy the death and destruction as the proxy war continues

Interesting of you to predict Harris will get a second term

 

[PVA]

It will carry on for another 5 years if Kamala Harris wins - enjoy the death and destruction as the proxy war continues

The way these last few days have gone give it 5 years and Putin will be begging Kim Jong Un for help in removing Ukraine from Russia

 

[MalcSB]

Interesting of you to predict Harris will get a second term

TBF, it was an if, not a when - so not actually a prediction.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

TBF, it was an if, not a when - so not actually a prediction.

Was being facetious. I imagine a settlement is still likely to happen regardless of who wins the election.

 

[Grendel]

The way these last few days have gone give it 5 years and Putin will be begging Kim Jong Un for help in removing Ukraine from Russia

Even you can’t be stupid enough to believe that