Some good points made by people above, it reminds me of the Simpsons when all of Mr Burn´s lawyers are too scared to tell him anything negative and they all just stand there like nodding dogs. Putin is Mr Burns!
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Set up their own World Series?Russia banned from world football. Spartak Moscow chucked out of europa league
How’s Putin going to sell that to the public ?!
Set up their own World Series?
Why would you make it harder for them in these circumstances? We can all get to the CBS but it would be easier for some to go by rail or bus.
Surely any leader with any integrity would be doing all they could to help the people of Ukraine not put barriers in the any.
OK you are right. Perfectly reasonable by Orban to do this. Maybe Slovakia and Romania should do the same.Hungary isn't even the best route though, most of the stuff will be coming from teh UK, France, Germany (both German and US) so Germany, Poland, Ukraine is the easiest route
OK you are right. Perfectly reasonable by Orban to do this. Maybe Slovakia and Romania should do the same.
Our Government could make the same argument on refugees. Most don't want to come here so let's not allow them in because they can go to other countries.OK you are right. Perfectly reasonable by Orban to do this. Maybe Slovakia and Romania should do the same.
Our Government could make the same argument on refugees. Most don't want to come here so let's not allow them in because they can go to other countries.
Can't understand why you want to excuse a reactionary leader like Orban.
I guess it is a catch 22 scenario. What a horrible situation to be in. Leave and your are likely to go to prison or fight in a war you never wanted..Heard stories of some Ukrainian kids at Cov schools who went home for half term and are now stuck with the only way back to come without their dads or older brothers.
Heartbreaking stuff really.
It's also illegal
And then Shell and BP will soften the blow on themselves by hiking up our prices accordingly.Shell are getting out of Russia along with BP.
Their economy is going to take such a kicking
Perhaps if we stop with the idea that ‘far from perfect’ is actually OK we may finally start to break this continuous cycle of war and destruction in the pursuit of greed and power.So they are to be judged equally?
The West has been far from perfect, but to bring that up in the present context just lacks perspective.
Well let’s consider that at the moment Putin wants to topple the ‘bad’ regime and put in place his own puppet in charge of a pseudo colony.
Then let’s compare with all the times, and there are plenty, that the US invaded countries to remove a ‘bad’ regime and install a favourable one.
None should have happened, but as we have defined ourselves as ‘good’ and Russia and seemingly China as ‘bad’, the Western world is dogpiling Russia economically but did no such thing to the US for all of their own invasions of sovereign states.
Also as above this idea that we’re all in favour of freedom loving democracies falls flat when the US is allied to a high % of dictatorships and turns a blind eye to their own misdemeanours. Yes, what Putin’s doing is wrong and he deserves what’s coming to him. But it’s gross hypocrisy to act like we haven’t done what he’s done many times ourselves. Just we were too big to be challenged.
Perhaps if we stop with the idea that ‘far from perfect’ is actually OK we may finally start to break this continuous cycle of war and destruction in the pursuit of greed and power.
Very wooly thinking. There will always conflict.
It’s very disheartening to see people draw false comparisons between this invasion against Ukraine and the invasions against the Taliban, Saddam Hussein and intervention against Gaddafi.
That’s without even accounting for Putin’s nuclear war bluff…
People aren’t drawing false equivalence at all, that is just a smearing tool to take away from the fact that people are asking legitimate questions.
Agree, but the entire basis of your belief system states that success = money, then greed and power will always be dominant. Until we get away from that being the definition of 'success' we don't stand a chance.Perhaps if we stop with the idea that ‘far from perfect’ is actually OK we may finally start to break this continuous cycle of war and destruction in the pursuit of greed and power.
Agree, but the entire basis of your belief system states that success = money, then greed and power will always be dominant. Until we get away from that being the definition of 'success' we don't stand a chance.
Quality of life, well-being perhaps?Interesting idea, what would you define as success?
I think it would be quite nice to live in a world that isn’t defined by ‘the value given to shareholders’Agree, but the entire basis of your belief system states that success = money, then greed and power will always be dominant. Until we get away from that being the definition of 'success' we don't stand a chance.
Quality of life, well-being perhaps?
Related to, but don’t have to be defined by the measure of.Both of those could be related to money. no?
Well enough of it would make a nice comfy mattress of fifty quid notes I guess.Both of those could be related to money. no?
Yes to both to my mind and most others too.Considering a few people have said the West are hypocrites on this suggests there is an equivalency being drawn.
Two questions on this:
Are we right to impose sanctions on Russia?
Are we right to send weapons to Ukraine?
If the answer is yes to both questions, it probably tells you what you need to know about the conflict.
Very wooly thinking. There will always conflict.
It’s very disheartening to see people draw false comparisons between this invasion against Ukraine and the invasions against the Taliban, Saddam Hussein and intervention against Gaddafi.
That’s without even accounting for Putin’s nuclear war bluff…
As Ian said, things like quality of life, family, friends, free time, enjoying your work, freedom to do what you want to do. Some of those money will help bring them about, but not solely by themselves. In some cases it can tip over into reducing them.Interesting idea, what would you define as success?
For all their efforts to suppress an independent media & social media you'd still think the Russians would grasp the fact that everyone has a phone with a camera/video on it. All these denials inc in the UN about no civilian targeting or casualties and there is video evidence of it all over these platforms.
But the Ukrainians making a tiktok about how to drive an abandoned tank is taking the social media warfare to a new level.
Gross hypocrisy?
Say what you like about the more recent, post-Cold War interventions of the West, but we weren’t invading and occupying democratic states.
The global economy deals with unsavoury characters and regimes. After all, this post was made from a phone produced in China. If that’s your yardstick, no one can claim moral superiority anywhere…
In the more recent past there was very serious talk in the US of using military force on Venezuela if their democratically elected leader remained in office
So why not send in a neutral contingent like the UN to sort it, rather than the US. Unless you believe the whole ‘Team America:World Police’ thing.Yes, shame on all those who would challenge beacons of democracy like uhhhh [checks notes] Venezuela
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