Brighton Sky Blue
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Well by kingmaker I don’t mean they have decided either way. But they can tip the scales in either direction
Politely disagree, this suits China very nicely. A weaker Russia and a distracted NATO is very handy for their global interests, imho, which is why they're staying on the sidelines.
What the West does now might well influence their approach to Taiwan though...
6 months ago no-one seriously thought he would invade Ukraine. He's deadly serious about NATO pulling out of former Eastern European states.Putin isn't going attack full Nato members
Absolutely. Thankfully we don't still have one in charge in the USA too, although Biden is pretty useless.Putin's speech on what would happen to any country who tries to stop him taking Ukraine makes me assume he's not ruling out nuclear weapons. Something along the lines of " the consequences will be something that no one has ever experienced in history"
He's a madman. Plain and simple.
Absolutely mateCoventry has a good Ukrainian population of hard-working people who love their country and this one for taking them in after the war. My family is one of them. I'm sure they'd all appreciate your support today.
Not yetPutin isn't going attack full Nato members
How?Sorry for saying this, but I fear the only way to stop this is taking Putin out.
How?
There were regular Russian forces there just not in an official capacity. All the arms and leadership were provided by Russia. We were farming that region at the time and our colleagues obviously had friends and family there. Was no secret what was going on there.But that was Russian rebels wasn't it. This is now the full Russian military.
Did Blair not say that Trident strategically was obsolete and was there for show? In any case as history has shown the only way to stop people like this is to invade and get rid of them before they get rid of you.
But if he’s so mad as not to care about everyone getting killed then what next? He also has an enormous amount of territory he could relocate populations to which no other country really does.
No, I don't disagree. This is now full-on though.There were regular Russian forces there just not in an official capacity. All the arms and leadership were provided by Russia. We were farming that region at the time and our colleagues obviously had friends and family there. Was no secret what was going on there.
Imagine have campaigned for and voted brexit to stick two fingers up to the EU salivating at the prospect of the EU collapsing and align with Putin. Still. War in Europe was project fear.If no one stands up to him he is going to keep going. He has totally lost it and I don't see how any form of de-escalation can work here other than submission.
Imagine if we had voted Corbyn in and he had binned Trident. Doesn't bear thinking about at this moment in time.
Has anyone talked about sanctions on Belarus yet? Can’t recall that happening. If not surely that should be part of any action given they’re facilitating this invasion.Apparently soldiers have rolled across into the Ukraine from Belarus close to the Polish border. I'm sure the Polish armed forces are going to be on high alert even at this stage. This looks very messy even at this stage.
Imagine have campaigned for and voted brexit to stick two fingers up to the EU salivating at the prospect of the EU collapsing and align with Putin. Still. War in Europe was project fear.
Not yet
6 months ago no-one seriously thought he would invade Ukraine. He's deadly serious about NATO pulling out of former Eastern European states.
Does this invasion of the Ukraine seem a rational act?
Is it likely he invades a NATO state right now? Probably not. If these sanctions do seriously effect Russia will he just back down? Probably not.
Assumptions that rational thought dictates actions should be viewed with caution.
Like Afghanistan knew they couldn't?If he attacks a Nato state he is at war with Nato i.e the US which even he knows he can not win
Brexit is a Putin asset. Surely no one can be in denial about that now. We’re isolated from the EU in terms of sanctions to the benefit of Putin, we’ve given his oligarchs, henchmen and allies more time to get money out. And of course the brexit minister enough time to get his investments out of Russia.What the fuck are you on about?
Yet...Putin isn't going attack full Nato members
Probably, but given his absolute control he has over information to the Russian people it would jut martyr him and make them feel the entire world is against them. Like in Communist Russia there will always be someone waiting in the wings to take over, so even if there are those that are anti-Putin, who do exist, there will never be an opportunity for them to express that.Sorry for saying this, but I fear the only way to stop this is taking Putin out.
Do that and he is easily turned into a martyr by the person who follows. Without nukes the world could simply dogpile Russia from all sides and dismantle the regime. With them it seems impossibly difficult unless sanctions can be imposed to be so severe as equivalent to a counter invasion.
China is kingmaker here
I believe there are already massive sanctions on Belarus, and has been for some time.Has anyone talked about sanctions on Belarus yet? Can’t recall that happening. If not surely that should be part of any action given they’re facilitating this invasion.
If he attacks a Nato state he is at war with Nato i.e the US which even he knows he can not win
Think it's about time people stopped believing russia give a shit about sanctions
I believe there are already massive sanctions on Belarus, and has been for some time.
Imagine have campaigned for and voted brexit to stick two fingers up to the EU salivating at the prospect of the EU collapsing and align with Putin. Still. War in Europe was project fear.
Like Afghanistan knew they couldn't?
The weak woke West holds no fears for Putin. Any doubts about that went out the window with Biden's shameful handling of Afghanistan. He will have the backing of China and I believe will push into the Baltic states.
As you say nothing would change Lukashenko's thinking.There are indeed. I'm not sure they're "massive" enough to change Lukashenko's thinking (the threat of being strung up by your own people is a powerful argument to ignore them), but they do exist. More to follow, you have to assume.
The withdrawal from Afghanistan was a scandalous failure and showed Putin how weak the West has become.Hardly a similar conflict but if you want to use Afghanistan as an example then no the mighty Red Army failed to win in Afghanistan as well
I sort of agree with you but for many in the upper echelons, especially the likes of JRM, Brexit was all about greed and corruption. Being able to do things that are potentially risky through deregulation that the pesky EU would never allow them to do. We've actively encouraged the investment of these people and hence we are now in a weaker position regarding sanctions because we stand to lose out quite a bit as well. And make no mistake, part of that desire for Russian oligarchs to invest and give money to political players would have been to blunt our chance to respond to situations like this.Come on Tony, I think this is for the other thread. We’ve proven we can remain involved/have an influence in nato which is the main driver for stuff like this. The decisions the government and the city have made in the past about oligarchs etc is nothing to do with Brexit more greed and potential corruption.
I do agree that Putin would have encouraged/influenced Brexit though, in the hope of splitting the west and in particular nato, but I don’t think that’s happened as everyone appears to be pulling in the same direction on this ?!
It is not strategically obsolete whatsoever. It is about the only thing that will save us if Putin decides to use nukes.
The guy has lost it mate. I fear he wants to go down in history now and won't stop at nothing. If he gets away with this then what next? I am really disturbed by all of this to be honest.
The withdrawal from Afghanistan was a scandalous failure and showed Putin how weak the West has become.
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