Flying Fokker
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And this is what she said. This is brave. Her father is Ukraine
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Alan Dugdales Moustache
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Completely disagree. We should be arming Poland and the Baltic countries to the teeth. Absolutely nothing suggests anything other than Putin wants to recreate the USSR.
Otis
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He does want to rebuild his little empire doesn't he. Not sure how far he will go. I can't see him going into a NATO country, but he could well target Moldova and Georgia and if he were to take them, I am not sure where he will stop. He is power mad and does think he is invincible.
tisza
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He's a zealot.
This isn't something new or even as recent as 2014. He's been writing and speaking about restoring the Soviet Union and Russia's influence long before then.
If Russia were a healthy democracy etc then it wouldn't be totally opposed in this whole region by a sizeable minority. . USA not particularly popular in this region for various reasons.
Plus the nationalists seem to believe they would have more freedom/less interference under Russian control than they do being in the EU. People still don't grasp that the Western and Eastern European mentalities etc are different in so many ways.
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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He won't stop . He may well think that his armed forces are not run as tactically and logistically as it should be, though he's massively underestimated Ukrainian resistance. He'll hang around in Ukraine as long as possible and flatten as much of it as he can. He'll buy as much time as possible and bolster his armed forces as much as possible within Russia over the next year or two .
Unless Ukraine are willing to give some territory in order for a Russian withdrawal I don't see this ending for years.
We need to be ready for phase two.
SIR ERNIE
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WTF planet is this little pipsqueak on?
www.telegraph.co.uk
Why Macron’s Zelensky makeover is hilariously misguided
Everyone wants a piece of the Ukrainian president’s popularity – the problem is a photoshoot cannot match the weight of real-world events
www.telegraph.co.uk
A couple of issues might change this though. Russia appears to continue to struggle militarily (other than indiscriminate bombing) and there are rumours of severe supply shortages, this means even if they ‘win’, they could be turned over again relatively quickly. By all accounts they won’t have the troop numbers to maintain a controlling presence. They will know/appreciate this
In addition oil has just plummeted on the back of China covid lockdowns. This could be painful. Ukraine will also budge on a couple of things if necessary
Maybe I’m forever the optimist (comes with supporting city) but it does feel like there is a deal to be done.
Sky Blue Pete
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Needs willing people on both sides doesn’t it?
They have something like 75% of their entire armed forces in Ukraine at the moment (and have suffered big losses). They would need a big chunk of that to occupy Ukraine (assuming continued resistance).
They have no economy to be able to rebuild the army.
There is absolutely zero chance he can take Poland.
Grendel
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WTF planet is this little pipsqueak on?
Why Macron’s Zelensky makeover is hilariously misguided
Everyone wants a piece of the Ukrainian president’s popularity – the problem is a photoshoot cannot match the weight of real-world events
Good to see little Napoleon getting in on the act. He’ll be doing dancing with the stars soon. What’s happened to Olaf - is he just asleep somewhere?
Grendel
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looks like his stars in your eyes “tonight Emmanuel you Are Volodmyr Zelensky” it’s doing the trick
Grendel
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Talking about publicity seekers
www.google.co.uk
Musk Challenges Putin To ‘Single Combat’ Over Ukraine—Russian Official Calls Him A ‘Little Devil’
“You, little devil, are still young,” the head of Russia’s space program said in response to Musk’s challenge.
www.google.co.uk
jimmyhillsfanclub
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I don't normally do the spectator, but always happy to make exceptions when it makes jokes at the little Emperors expense.....
Macron, the reverse Zelensky
Which Western leader has been the most shameless when it comes to Ukraine? America’s Vice President ‘Calamity’ Kamala Harris is another contender, given her bizarre, hysterical laughter when asked at a press conference about Kiev’s refugees. Nicola ‘Strangelove’ Sturgeon is up there, after her...
www.spectator.co.uk
Otis
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On here, or in the peace talks?
olderskyblue
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It’s never ending on here….
I don't normally do the spectator, but always happy to make exceptions when it makes jokes at the little Emperors expense.....
Macron, the reverse Zelensky
Which Western leader has been the most shameless when it comes to Ukraine? America’s Vice President ‘Calamity’ Kamala Harris is another contender, given her bizarre, hysterical laughter when asked at a press conference about Kiev’s refugees. Nicola ‘Strangelove’ Sturgeon is up there, after her...
I'm no fan of his but Macron wearing hoodies/casual clothing is not a new thing. I know that doesn't suit The Spectator/Telegraph narrative though.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Maybe there is a deal to be done.
But if it was it's more a matter of how long would Putin stick to it? If he agreed it'd only be because he needed to replenish supplies etc. He would not see it as ending his pursuit of Ukraine - he believes Russia (and so by extension, he) has a right to control that country.
Flying Fokker
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Agreed, there is that risk. Quite a few commentators were advising against any ceasefire as thats exactly what he’d use it for. However if there was a formal agreement it’s likely the west would still ensure Ukraine and border countries are also fully armed/rearmed.
I do wonder if Putin might now accept that his ideal world isn’t going to happen. A long shot possibly but maybe he really did think the Ukrainians would roll over and many (or enough) would welcome him with open arms. This was/is obviously not the case so accepting something might be better than the alternative….a flattened neighbouring country and years of guerrilla warfare
All optimistic guesswork but who knows. I appreciate he’s maybe just as likely to take things up another notch or two
It's not the first time the Russians have seemingly made a move and nothing has come of it but it's worth watching out for. Odessa has had this threat sitting off it's coast for a quite some time now so it's hopefully it's well defended. It'll need to be. Moldova will be nervously watching on.
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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I've just read on the red button that she has been fined the equivalent of £214 for the video message. That's extraordinary.
....what it doesn't say is that she's been carted off to a cell and beated , abused and won't be heard of again for another 15 years. So the fine is just academic.
From what I've read, an assault on Odessa would be pretty suicidal for Russia.
They also sunk a Slovakian ship.
Tommo1993
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Come on Otis, you’re not daft!
It was scuttled by the Ukrainians, though I doubt it would have lasted long otherwise.
They have alot of military power in Odessa waiting, they won't take Odessa without lots of losses and the way they're losing troops ATM (reported troops) they can't fight for to much longer.
I think the main factor is how long they've had to prepare. An amphibious assault on Odessa has been touted for so long that they've beefed up their defenses.
If the monuments are this well protected then imagine how well the beaches and other strategic points are defended!
eastwoodsdustman
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A couple of heavy guns pointed out to sea will keep the Russian navy well away. They cant afford to lose a few helicopters let alone a billion pound warship or two.I think the main factor is how long they've had to prepare. An amphibious assault on Odessa has been touted for so long that they've beefed up their defenses.
If the monuments are this well protected then imagine how well the beaches and other strategic points are defended!
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Don't know if it's just that they've been reported more the last few days, but there seems to have been a few Western press killed in the last few days, esp. ones working for US networks.
Probably isn't, but wondered if it might be a new Russian tactic to goad the West into getting involved.
Probably isn't, but wondered if it might be a new Russian tactic to goad the West into getting involved.
Sky Blue Pete
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It is