USSR invades Ukraine. (7 Viewers)

PVA

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Good job he didn't consult with the experts in here that said Kyiv would be taken within a week of the invasion really isn't it.
 

DrPoolittle

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Shelling children on the beach certainly qualifies
Cluster bombs are a war crime when used against civilians. Ukraine have not used cluster bombs against civilians.

Any bomb used against civilians (or a civilian facility) is a war crime, if civilians were deliberately targeted. Doesnt have to be a cluster bomb, it can be any weapon.

But it becomes tricky when the enemy is deliberately using a civilian facility to hide military equipment, which is definitely what Russia has done. And what Hamas has done in Gaza.

Hamas are well known for attacking Israel from a civilian position, then claiming “war crime committed by imperialist Zionist pigdog“ when Israel fires back. Especially when Israel has a legit right to fire back
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Any bomb used against civilians (or a civilian facility) is a war crime, if civilians were deliberately targeted. Doesnt have to be a cluster bomb, it can be any weapon.

But it becomes tricky when the enemy is deliberately using a civilian facility to hide military equipment, which is definitely what Russia has done. And what Hamas has done in Gaza.

Hamas are well known for attacking Israel from a civilian position, then claiming “war crime committed by imperialist Zionist pigdog“ when Israel fires back. Especially when Israel has a legit right to fire back
How were Hamas hiding behind the children on the beach?
 

DrPoolittle

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Given today is the 14th November and all that means for the City of Coventry, I am trying to think of a modern, industrial war when civilians didn’t get caught up and hurt in the general shitness of war.
The Falklands? First Gulf War?

Even then, that’s bullshit because of the suffering of the bereaved and impact on families - on all sides of the conflict
 

Sick Boy

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I mean it’s a bargain compared to the alternative. But we could just stop slow walking military aid and give them enough to do the job 🤷🏻‍♂️
More and more it’s going to be reliant on the US funding it, there’s a pattern in the EU with leaders to the right being voted in who are opposed to more military funding.
 

Fysnkysc

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I mean it’s a bargain compared to the alternative. But we could just stop slow walking military aid and give them enough to do the job 🤷🏻‍♂️
Literally this, If the leaders didn't prance around being all stupid last year we could of gave them everything needed and I'm 99% sure if we did that Russia wouldn't be in ukraine atleast the parts they raided instantly.

Ukraine deserve all the support if not Russia will rebuild and go again as the did with the czenia war, this time it won't be ukraine vs Russians it will be hungary, Slovaks, czechs against Russia and ukraine.
 

Sick Boy

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Literally this, If the leaders didn't prance around being all stupid last year we could of gave them everything needed and I'm 99% sure if we did that Russia wouldn't be in ukraine atleast the parts they raided instantly.

Ukraine deserve all the support if not Russia will rebuild and go again as the did with the czenia war, this time it won't be ukraine vs Russians it will be hungary, Slovaks, czechs against Russia and ukraine.
And it that scenario NATO would also be involved.
 

Grendel

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Fysnkysc

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And it that scenario NATO would also be involved.
Why? Are we involved directly now? We have given then almost everything, the only thing we haven't given them is quantity.

As for nato getting involved directly. Its only a matter of time before it happens Russia won't try to stop expanding.


Your proposal is for Ukraine to Keal over and die even though they have been fighting for freedom since the soviet Union.
 

Sick Boy

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Why? Are we involved directly now? We have given then almost everything, the only thing we haven't given them is quantity.

As for nato getting involved directly. Its only a matter of time before it happens Russia won't try to stop expanding.


Your proposal is for Ukraine to Keal over and die even though they have been fighting for freedom since the soviet Union.
If Russia invades/attacks Hungary it’d mean NATO being directly involved in fighting.

Once financial support dries up Ukraine will be in a much weaker position to negotiate. It’s inevitable that it’ll end in a negotiated settlement.
 

eastwoodsdustman

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I don't think that the west will stop funding Ukraine unless (god forbid) Trump gets back in. The vast majority of the western world wants a regime change in Russia so will keep funding them.
Things have slowed down to a stalemate again across most of the front as they do every year at this time. The weather makes it virtually impossible to make any worthwhile attacks or movement so both sides will prepare for things to start again in the spring.
One caveat to this might be the Ukrainians pushing out from their position from the left bank of the Dnipro river if they think that they can advance.
 

Grendel

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I don't think that the west will stop funding Ukraine unless (god forbid) Trump gets back in. The vast majority of the western world wants a regime change in Russia so will keep funding them.
Things have slowed down to a stalemate again across most of the front as they do every year at this time. The weather makes it virtually impossible to make any worthwhile attacks or movement so both sides will prepare for things to start again in the spring.
One caveat to this might be the Ukrainians pushing out from their position from the left bank of the Dnipro river if they think that they can advance.

The Us certainly want regime change but they want a stooge like Gorbachov or a fool like Yeltsin. What they’d get would likely be far worse than Putin
 

tisza

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The Us certainly want regime change but they want a stooge like Gorbachov or a fool like Yeltsin. What they’d get would likely be far worse than Putin
Anyone seen as a "viable" alternative by the West is either ostracized or in prison. There is no free political infrastructure for moderates or other parties to mount a challenge. Key roles including governorships are filled with Putin's own people.
The "west" has still not learnt what they deem acceptable is often not appropriate or acceptable to local circumstances and often fails.
 

skybluetony176

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A poll in Russia shows that support for the war in Ukraine has collapsed since the previous poll in February. The largest majority now want a full withdrawal and Putin is worried with presidential elections coming next year.
 
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A poll in Russia shows that support for the war in Ukraine has collapsed since the previous poll in February. The largest majority now want a full withdrawal and Putin is worried with presidential elections coming next year.
I don't know but I think Putin might win though.
 

tisza

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A poll in Russia shows that support for the war in Ukraine has collapsed since the previous poll in February. The largest majority now want a full withdrawal and Putin is worried with presidential elections coming next year.
Doesn't care. No credible threat as they are either in prison or left the country. Hard to have a political debate when it's now a prisonable offence to criticize the govt.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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I’m starting to think our guys on the frontline were wrong. It also looks like the infamous counter-offensive is over.
Need to hurry up and sign away 20% of their land in time for Putin’s Christmas.
 

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