USSR invades Ukraine. (8 Viewers)
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Well given their incredible new offensive has amounted to nothing and Putin is now considering halting the war I'd say it's a fairly obvious indicator that it's not looking great for Russia at the moment no?
fatso
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No, you've completely missed the point.
Putin offered a truce nearly 2 years ago, and it was rejected, he's now got all the territory he wants, he's got his foot on the throat of Ukraine, and he's offered some clemency.
If an offer is rejected, he will roll all over Ukraine. They'd be stupid to reject the offer.
As it stands the whole of Ukraine is on the brink of collapse.
As far as the USA continuing to supply Ukraine with weapons, I'd suggest that will come to an end very soon, the will of the American people is no longer behind the plan, and there is an election later this year, after which I think the money for Ukraine will stop.
Skybluekyle
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Hitler also agreed to a truce in 1939, but told the Allies that Poland's future would be exclusively decided by the Soviet Union and Germany.
Unfortunately for Herr Putin, Europe has realised that appeasement is not the answer.
Yes, he's got his foot on the throat of Ukraine and he's just waiting for the right moment to steamroller the whole country 800 days into his 3 day war.
Any minute now.
Yep, he's intentionally waited this long and inflicted 500k Russian casualties because...reasons.
Everything is going perfectly to plan.
Just waiting for him to give the order.
Yeah a truce would be suicidal for Ukraine. It's quite clear Russia would just use it to rearm and go again in a few years time.
SIR ERNIE
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A generation of Ukrainian young men have been killed, seriously wounded or fled the country to avoid call up. They need another 500,000 front line troops. In six months time Biden's support and funding will cease. There's no realistic alternative to a negotiated settlement.
Grendel
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The Kyiv News is clearly an independent source
Grendel
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Too sensible for PVA
Funny thing is I think you actually believe that.
Just waiting for Putin to give the nod and it'll all be over in a few days apparently.
Just trying to work out the logic of racking up 500k casualties and hundreds of billions of dollars of equipment losses when apparently all he has to do is give an order to steamroll the whole country. Seems a bit of a strange tactic for such a strategic genius.
Skybluekyle
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It is almost perverse how much glee you take from this war. I wouldn't go as far as to say you want Russia to win, but you would definitely take an unhealthy amount of joy in them doing so to be proven "right".
fatso
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I originally thought that, but apparently that's how they do things, it's all about limiting his own casualties, and according to some strategists, Russian losses are nowhere near the numbers we are hearing.
There's no doubt they are continuing to creep forward relentlessly. They now have total air supremacy and are taking a number of towns with no resistance. It looks like it will be over before the end of summer unless NATO puts boots on the ground in massive numbers, which I can't see happening.
The worry for me is that the slow pace of the Russian advance is tantamount to Putin goading the west to interveen, which would obviously play right into his hands.
Imo, if there's a truce to be had, Ukraine needs to take it, before there's no one left to fight.
fatso
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Complete and utter nonsence of the absolute highest order.
Skybluekyle
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It's this kind of pro-Kremlin nonsense that I see you spout that makes me think what I outlined above. If Herr Putin does care about limiting his own causalities, it would be in complete odds with the MO of Russia up until now, and also contrary to reports.
NATO is not going to war with Russia, as NATO would wipe the floor with Russia in conventional warfare, from a defensive perspective, and Putin and Russia knows this. It's a complete fallacy to suggest otherwise. China is secretly annoyed with Russia, as Europe is a counterbalance to the US, same as their annoyance with Russian interference with the EU Referendum in the UK.
I'd love to know what your sources are for all this.
You keep contradicting yourself: Putin is trying to keep casualties down...but is engaging in several years of war...that he could have got done in a few days...because they're so strong...but 500k is 'keeping casualties down '
fatso
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A, it's nowhere near 500k casualties, that's western propaganda. America's own strategists are admitting Russian casualties are low. (There's plenty of comment and interviews on line)I'd love to know what your sources are for all this.
You keep contradicting yourself: Putin is trying to keep casualties down...but is engaging in several years of war...that he could have got done in a few days...because they're so strong...but 500k is 'keeping casualties down '
B, The slow pace of the advance could be down to a number of reasons, such as, giving civilians time to flee, not overstretching his supply lines too quickly, giving time for diplomatic talks, or simply goading NATO, in short I have no idea why Putin is being so cautious.
But I know he isn't under any pressure at home, The Russian economy has surged since going onto a war footing, businesses are booming, even workers are making unprecedented amounts of money from all the arms being manufactured.
So Putin is in no hurry to stop this war,
In fact the very opposite is probably true, when the war ends he will be facing massive inflation and rising unemployment.
He also knows that come the next American election Biden will probably be out of office, and Trump has openly said he will stop the supply of weapons to Ukraine if he wins, so again all he needs to do is sit tight.
...or because they physically aren't able to?
They planned to win the war in three days, the fact we're 800 days in and they're no further forward than this time 2 years ago is not because Putin is being 'cautious'.
I can't believe that even needs saying tbh.
They aren't further forward than this time 2 years ago, they have less territory.
And they have captured approximately 170 square miles in the last month. At that rate it will take 115 years to control of Ukraine.
That's more believable than reporting that Kyiv would be lost in 3 days I guess.