Was this Coventry City's worst ever transfer window? (3 Viewers)

[Nick]

squad won first silverware in my lifetime. will never forget it. thank you tony mark and even slade for that i must say

I always assumed you were in your 30s?

 

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[covcity4life]

I always assumed you were in your 30s?

i am, you lnow what i mean, i was 4 when won fa cup, cant remember it happening

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

slade got us relegated. 2 wins already this morning for me

glad i disagree so much with a neo nazi though. get back to general discussion!

1) Mowbray got us relegated. Slade just finished the job.

2) I'd like to see some facts to back up your second point. That's a pretty outrageous slur. The more the word gets dummed down by idiots like you, the more the real situations where they occur will get taken less seriously too.

 

[Nick]

1) Mowbray got us relegated. Slade just finished the job.

2) I'd like to see some facts to back up your second point. That's a pretty outrageous slur. The more the word gets dummed down by idiots like you, the more the real situations where they occur will get taken less seriously too.

Think its your bald head, nazi tattoos, boots, ben sherman and braces that give it away.*

*Although I joke, I did see somebody at a game who looked like banjo out of this is england.

 

[covcity4life]

1) Mowbray got us relegated. Slade just finished the job.

2) I'd like to see some facts to back up your second point. That's a pretty outrageous slur. The more the word gets dummed down by idiots like you, the more the real situations where they occur will get taken less seriously too.

WHAT AN ABSOLUTE LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


slade got us relegated...

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

1) Mowbray got us relegated. Slade just finished the job.

2) I'd like to see some facts to back up your second point. That's a pretty outrageous slur. The more the word gets dummed down by idiots like you, the more the real situations where they occur will get taken less seriously too.

Mowbray isn’t solely to blame, but he’s certainly responsible for very bad recruitment that summer which is a key factor in relegation.

However, choosing to keep Venus on was probably what did the most action. Before we held off appointment a replacement, the likes of Cotterill and Evans has applied for the job, iirc. Instead, we waited and ended up without Slade who had the worst win % in the whole football league, didn’t he? Slade’s tenure certainly condemned us to L2, no disagreements from me there.

If we got someone in like Robins, Evans, or anyone but Slade, the situation could’ve been possibly reversible.

With hindsight though, we probably needed relegation to L2 to rebuild properly and we’re all grateful we didn’t stick around in L2 for two long!

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

Mowbray isn’t solely to blame, but he’s certainly responsible for very bad recruitment that summer which is a key factor in relegation.

However, choosing to keep Venus on was probably what did the most action. Before we held off appointment a replacement, the likes of Cotterill and Evans has applied for the job, iirc. Instead, we waited and ended up without Slade who had the worst win % in the whole football league, didn’t he? Slade’s tenure certainly condemned us to L2, no disagreements from me there.

If we got someone in like Robins, Evans, or anyone but Slade, the situation could’ve been possibly reversible.

With hindsight though, we probably needed relegation to L2 to rebuild properly and we’re all grateful we didn’t stick around in L2 for two long!

Agree with all of this. I fail to understand why posters stick up for Mowbray like he did no wrong as IMO it comes across as stubbornness. Great Championship manager but he has little knowledge of the lower leagues, which inevitably cost us.

 

[steve82]

Mowbray isn’t solely to blame, but he’s certainly responsible for very bad recruitment that summer which is a key factor in relegation.

However, choosing to keep Venus on was probably what did the most action. Before we held off appointment a replacement, the likes of Cotterill and Evans has applied for the job, iirc. Instead, we waited and ended up without Slade who had the worst win % in the whole football league, didn’t he? Slade’s tenure certainly condemned us to L2, no disagreements from me there.

If we got someone in like Robins, Evans, or anyone but Slade, the situation could’ve been possibly reversible.

With hindsight though, we probably needed relegation to L2 to rebuild properly and we’re all grateful we didn’t stick around in L2 for two long!

Agree with all of this. I fail to understand why posters stick up for Mowbray like he did no wrong as IMO it comes across as stubbornness. Great Championship manager but he has little knowledge of the lower leagues, which inevitably cost us.

Yes MV killed the side completely of any hope or confidence they might of had after a mini revival at Port Vale and Chesterfield before the beating at Charlton.
Jordan Turnbull showed that day what a summer scoop he really was to become!

Unfortunately it was TM’s failure that summer that set to tone if you pardon the pun. Yes without doubt Slade drove us into the ground completely but that summer was fateful.
A plan had to of been in order at the time players meet the manager in May to see who’s staying or going. We all knew a lot were leaving so players were needed. Added with the fact the loan window closed the 31st of August for the first time made everyone get business in order early summer.
We didn’t, no clear plan for the recruitment on budget available.

In terms of managers available at the time TM drove away forever (via cc4l house) after the Wimbledon game, Evans was available prior to joining Mansfield but I’m not so sure he’d of faired any better. He’s a history of bringing his players in on a fair budget. Maybe he’d of loved the challenge and got into it or at least had time to plan for a critical January window.
Slade on paper looked the man, worked his hole career on not so much of a shoe string and never been relegated. Perfect firefighter job with the cv to match.

I do however thank Russell Slade for one thing, last season was one of the best I’ve had, game me and my son memories forever. I loved every Saturday traveling up and down the country and going to work that night after a win! Oh and another day at Wembley too.
Thanks Russell and here’s to you MR. Cheers!


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[Adge]

Spade put the final nail in the coffin but as someone else has rightly said, it was messing around with Venus all that time that set us up for the major fall.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Spade put the final nail in the coffin but as someone else has rightly said, it was messing around with Venus all that time that set us up for the major fall.

So, nothing to do with Mowbray then?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Yes MV killed the side completely of any hope or confidence they might of had after a mini revival at Port Vale and Chesterfield before the beating at Charlton.
Jordan Turnbull showed that day what a summer scoop he really was to become!

Unfortunately it was TM’s failure that summer that set to tone if you pardon the pun. Yes without doubt Slade drove us into the ground completely but that summer was fateful.
A plan had to of been in order at the time players meet the manager in May to see who’s staying or going. We all knew a lot were leaving so players were needed. Added with the fact the loan window closed the 31st of August for the first time made everyone get business in order early summer.
We didn’t, no clear plan for the recruitment on budget available.

In terms of managers available at the time TM drove away forever (via cc4l house) after the Wimbledon game, Evans was available prior to joining Mansfield but I’m not so sure he’d of faired any better. He’s a history of bringing his players in on a fair budget. Maybe he’d of loved the challenge and got into it or at least had time to plan for a critical January window.
Slade on paper looked the man, worked his hole career on not so much of a shoe string and never been relegated. Perfect firefighter job with the cv to match.

I do however thank Russell Slade for one thing, last season was one of the best I’ve had, game me and my son memories forever. I loved every Saturday traveling up and down the country and going to work that night after a win! Oh and another day at Wembley too.
Thanks Russell and here’s to you MR. Cheers!

Given Slade’s credentials, it’s no surprise people were generally positive with his appointment. At the time, I felt it was a good appointment.

Looking back, it was a stupid position not to appointment a new manager in the run up to the Jan transfer window. Whilst Venus, iirc, started off quite well (comparatively), he was still a continuation from Mowbray and we really needed to change regime. If there was no quality candidates, I’d understand but the candidates were good considering our position. Evans is detestable, but his achievements speak for themselves.

But, we got promoted last season we’re back in the ‘big time’ that is L1 and doing well. The bitter pill of relegation was worth in the end!

 

[steve82]

Given Slade’s credentials, it’s no surprise people were generally positive with his appointment. At the time, I felt it was a good appointment.

Looking back, it was a stupid position not to appointment a new manager in the run up to the Jan transfer window. Whilst Venus, iirc, started off quite well (comparatively), he was still a continuation from Mowbray and we really needed to change regime. If there was no quality candidates, I’d understand but the candidates were good considering our position. Evans is detestable, but his achievements speak for themselves.

But, we got promoted last season we’re back in the ‘big time’ that is L1 and doing well. The bitter pill of relegation was worth in the end!

I’ve no shame in saying I was probably his number one fan, ok no probables about it.... the cv suggested he could of turned it around it gave us real hope.
He tried to get Eion Doyle if I recall in that January from Preston to go with Stuart Bevon, he opted for a promotion challenge in L2 instead with Portsmouth, maybe that might of helped but he needed some backing in bringing in a target man to ad the job

Slades whole game is direct and centred around 442 with that target man, without that your pissing in the wind as we found out come February and March. MV, a footballing man would of known this as he helped appoint Slade.

Still we’re all better for the experience, and ultimately a better side of our own players now.


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[Adge]

So, nothing to do with Mowbray then?

Well his recruiting in the summer was poor as has been said and he put all his eggs in one basket. I certainly wouldn’t put a bullet in his head and let’s remember he done the honourable thing by resigning.

 

[better days]

I know a bit of what went on in that window
Some good players came to see Tony Mowbray and look at the set up. Most of them said they'd like to join if the deal was right
At that point MV took over negotiations with the players' agent
In most cases he was outbid by either a Championship team or a club in L1 with a bigger budget
This even happened with John Fleck who was made 'the best offer the club could afford' at the end of his contract but he got a far bigger deal at Sheffield United

 

[robbiekeane]

done the honourable thing by resigning.

He bottled it and then on the way out the door blamed the budget and said the owners need to invest. Coward.

 

[Adge]

He bottled it and then on the way out the door blamed the budget and said the owners need to invest. Coward.

Do you not think he may have been telling the truth?

 

[covcity4life]

He bottled it and then on the way out the door blamed the budget and said the owners need to invest. Coward.

that doesnt sound like sisu at all!

 

[better days]

Do you not think he may have been telling the truth?

He was

 

[fernandopartridge]

I know a bit of what went on in that window
Some good players came to see Tony Mowbray and look at the set up. Most of them said they'd like to join if the deal was right
At that point MV took over negotiations with the players' agent
In most cases he was outbid by either a Championship team or a club in L1 with a bigger budget
This even happened with John Fleck who was made 'the best offer the club could afford' at the end of his contract but he got a far bigger deal at Sheffield United

In the end, all the scrimping and saving at that point was probably lost in the massive cost of being relegated and the drop off in gates. I think Fleck would have gone regardless mind, I never really felt like he had any fondness for this club.

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

I know a bit of what went on in that window
Some good players came to see Tony Mowbray and look at the set up. Most of them said they'd like to join if the deal was right
At that point MV took over negotiations with the players' agent
In most cases he was outbid by either a Championship team or a club in L1 with a bigger budget
This even happened with John Fleck who was made 'the best offer the club could afford' at the end of his contract but he got a far bigger deal at Sheffield United

That's hardly inside knowledge. It was this exact reason why he failed throughout the window. Attempting to go toe-to-toe with other clubs in a financial standoff meant we were always going to come second fiddle in that fight. IMO this only revealed what the season before seemed to cover up - that he had little to no knowledge of the lower leagues/conference and wasn't prepared/too snobbish to give such players a chance in our team. He spent far too much time scouting the premier league for as-beens or promising academy graduates and failed to scout players that could actually help us push on from the season before. At the end of the day he knew the budget he had available, so why not use it effectively? IMO I have a feeling he thought he was going to get more than he thought based on the success of the 2015-16 season but only he'll know the answer to that. Regardless as an experienced manager who was switched on he shouldn't have been so naive if that was the case.

Fleck was offered double by Sheffield United, think it was between 5-6K per week which was way beyond our wage cap. The club should've offered him a contract long before it was set to expire but hindsight is a wonderful thing. But it's just one of those, money talks in football and we were out-priced.

 

[clint van damme]

I know a bit of what went on in that window
Some good players came to see Tony Mowbray and look at the set up. Most of them said they'd like to join if the deal was right
At that point MV took over negotiations with the players' agent
In most cases he was outbid by either a Championship team or a club in L1 with a bigger budget
This even happened with John Fleck who was made 'the best offer the club could afford' at the end of his contract but he got a far bigger deal at Sheffield United

I would suggest that in most cases a league 1 club trying to compete with Championship clubs is either trying to recruit unrealistic targets or is spending beyond it's means.

 

[covcity4life]

I know a bit of what went on in that window
Some good players came to see Tony Mowbray and look at the set up. Most of them said they'd like to join if the deal was right
At that point MV took over negotiations with the players' agent
In most cases he was outbid by either a Championship team or a club in L1 with a bigger budget
This even happened with John Fleck who was made 'the best offer the club could afford' at the end of his contract but he got a far bigger deal at Sheffield United

Yup like any proper fan knows, you want someone who will aim high as your manager

but we have a loser fan base who want to keep losing. leave them to their bitter lives

double promotion last year for cov and tony, heres to another one in may!

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

Yup like any proper fan knows, you want someone who will aim high as your manager

but we have a loser fan base who want to keep losing. leave them to their bitter lives

double promotion last year for cov and tony, heres to another one in may!

There's a fine line between aiming high and being completely unrealistic. TM falls into the latter category.

 

[steve82]

For me the key point was his mate he put upstairs to do the numbers in Mark Venus, he put him in purposely so TM could concentrate on the football with Jamie Clapham initially.

So....
1) why was it then such a surprise that Sisu wouldn’t invest that summer or the numbers couldn’t stretch to what TM wanted to do when his mates the numbers man?

2) Why did TM then not adapt to the scenario and budget given and work through the out of contract players and make do with a crap situation?
At least then if it went wrong he can say this was all I could do, sorry.
I think we’d be all a bit more accepting of the summer transfers then

To be stubborn and still chase championship quality players in a pipe dream with a man of his experience knowing he was only offering a bag of crisps and a sausage roll to play for him but then blow a chunk of the budget we didn’t have on Jordan Turnbull is mind blowing!




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[covcity4life]

There's a fine line between aiming high and being completely unrealistic. TM falls into the latter category.

no he falls in to the first category. and i am always right which makes you wrong.

 

[covcity4life]

the budget was most likely reduced from mowbrays first year lets be honest

 

[fernandopartridge]

the budget was most likely reduced from mowbrays first year lets be honest

Which wouldn't have been such a problem had Mowbray had any real sort of medium term strategy? He adopted a hit and hope policy in 2015/16 which failed miserably, we were always up against it the season after as we had virtually no foundations at all.

 

[better days]

I know TM and MV slightly
TM in particular is a really good, honourable guy
What he had to put up with probably helped MR who was given a more realistic budget when he came in

 

[covcity4life]

I know TM and MV slightly
TM in particular is a really good, honourable guy
What he had to put up with probably helped MR who was given a more realistic budget when he came in

oh for sure, i have thought that myself. sisu realised need to back the manager.so we owe him alot,not just the great football and highest placed finish in years, he also sorted out our notorious problem owners, the first man to do so! and now MR is reaping the benefits

 

[steve82]

For me the key point was his mate he put upstairs to do the numbers in Mark Venus, he put him in purposely so TM could concentrate on the football with Jamie Clapham initially.

So....
1) why was it then such a surprise that Sisu wouldn’t invest that summer or the numbers couldn’t stretch to what TM wanted to do when his mates the numbers man?

2) Why did TM then not adapt to the scenario and budget given and work through the out of contract players and make do with a crap situation?
At least then if it went wrong he can say this was all I could do, sorry.
I think we’d be all a bit more accepting of the summer transfers then

To be stubborn and still chase championship quality players in a pipe dream with a man of his experience knowing he was only offering a bag of crisps and a sausage roll to play for him but then blow a chunk of the budget we didn’t have on Jordan Turnbull is mind blowing!




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@covcity4life, I’ve no issue with your admiration towards TM.

Tactically on the pitch I’ve not no real issues with what he did in his time here but I’m genuinely interested in your thoughts on these points?


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[SkyBlueCRJ]

I would suggest that in most cases a league 1 club trying to compete with Championship clubs is either trying to recruit unrealistic targets or is spending beyond it's means.

Exactly. For such an experienced manager he's very naive. Looking back at his time with us the majority of his decisions were pretty wayward. For instance, the amount of loan signings he brought in during his first season, bringing in Joe Cole, the reluctance to sign anyone that wasn't 'Championship/Premier League' quality, his horrendous January permanent signings and his lack of direction in terms of a long term plan. His loan signings during his first signing were quality so his time with us wasn't all bad and he had an excellent half a season. But he set himself up to fail.

 

[Nick]

Yup like any proper fan knows, you want someone who will aim high as your manager

but we have a loser fan base who want to keep losing. leave them to their bitter lives

double promotion last year for cov and tony, heres to another one in may!

So if Robins came out and said he wanted to buy the 2 top scorers in the championship for a league 1 club he wouldn't be aiming too high?

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

no he falls in to the first category. and i am always right which makes you wrong.

I genuinely can't tell if your admiration for TM is genuine or you're on the wind up.

 

[Nick]

For me the key point was his mate he put upstairs to do the numbers in Mark Venus, he put him in purposely so TM could concentrate on the football with Jamie Clapham initially.

So....
1) why was it then such a surprise that Sisu wouldn’t invest that summer or the numbers couldn’t stretch to what TM wanted to do when his mates the numbers man?

2) Why did TM then not adapt to the scenario and budget given and work through the out of contract players and make do with a crap situation?
At least then if it went wrong he can say this was all I could do, sorry.
I think we’d be all a bit more accepting of the summer transfers then

To be stubborn and still chase championship quality players in a pipe dream with a man of his experience knowing he was only offering a bag of crisps and a sausage roll to play for him but then blow a chunk of the budget we didn’t have on Jordan Turnbull is mind blowing!




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Said it at the time, he was trying to shop at Waitrose when he had an Aldi budget. Wasn't even looking at yellow labels.

 

[covcity4life]

@covcity4life, I’ve no issue with your admiration towards TM.

Tactically on the pitch I’ve not no real issues with what he did in his time here but I’m genuinely interested in your thoughts on these points?


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1) who knows when he found out sisu were reducing budget? maybe he put MV there to fight agaisnt this to no avail.

2)shouldn't need to adapt to scenario. adapting would mean buy shit cloggers which wouldnt work tactically,would have got relegated and then it could actually be said it was mowbrays relegation. maybe instead of 6 prime targets he decided 3 prime targets were better than buying 7 or 8 non technical players. regardless the problem is the owners, this has been fan view for decade yet for this one season they are perfect. very odd! mowbray left because he didnt have a team he could work with, in my opinion he was in a situation that he couldnt succeed in. people can say adapt and all that but would pep guardiola adapt? would bielsa? because they have foreign names its ok? no chance, he is a ball playing manager and if you hire him you need back to him. he will succeed if you do this like wba and blackburn. we gave him healthy backing in his 1 full season with us and he got 8th, had we done same again we would have been pushing for top 6 again.

but we didnt, he left honourably with plenty of time for a new manager to get us promoted even and isntead they hired venus and slade and it fell apart. still mowbrays team won the checkatrade with bigi and turnbull shining. so in both seasons he was a success despite only being backed in one.

there you go

p.s i am angry tm walked as i felt he could have turned it round and left too soon into the season. that said he got Bburn job so he prob wont regret it!