Wasps going into admin & the impact on CCFC (6 Viewers)

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Gynnsthetonic

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Would that mean Richardson is paid off and has nothing else to do with the stadium. Would the 40% effectively pay him back what he's put in and he walks away for good
 

rexo87

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To think that CCFC paid to keep the stadium running for 2 weeks is ridiculous. They paid for maybe 1 game to go ahead and then the money Ashley paid to be preferred bidder was used to keep it going surely. And this wasn’t done out of the kindness of his heart, if he hadn’t it looked like ACL was going into liquidation and he wouldn’t have had my preferred bidder time for due diligence


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The Philosopher

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How can it if the deal is already agreed for when it drops into admin?
If the exclusivity expires and a hugely better offer comes on the table, Richardson would be in a pickle if it was turned down and he himself ended up in a better position (if the business then goes pop)

HMRC wouldn’t like that.
 

tisza

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well this is certainly news to me - no idea how true or not.
Just don't see it. There's not enough "meat on the bone" for Ashley to fork out nearly 17 million for just 60%. Plus there's the investment needed to move things on .
Or maybe if they convert monies owed to him into share equity??
But Richardson staying in involved if the bondholders don't get their money would be a bad look for all parties.
 

jordan210

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Im calling it now. What's the bet if Ashley gets his hands on it. A load of grants for regeneration in that arena become available by CCC
 

Jcap

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Just don't see it. There's not enough "meat on the bone" for Ashley to fork out nearly 17 million for just 60%. Plus there's the investment needed to move things on .
Or maybe if they convert monies owed to him into share equity??
But Richardson staying in involved if the bondholders don't get their money would be a bad look for all parties.
I took it to mean 40% of the bid money not him retaining a share of the stadium ownership.
 

oldfiver

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Im calling it now. What's the bet if Ashley gets his hands on it. A load of grants for regeneration in that arena become available by CCC

I am sure that has ben discussed informally with Reeves

It was mentioned there is availability to build the hotel - the one WPS applied for funding from WMCA?
 

The Philosopher

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Just don't see it. There's not enough "meat on the bone" for Ashley to fork out nearly 17 million for just 60%. Plus there's the investment needed to move things on .
Or maybe if they convert monies owed to him into share equity??
But Richardson staying in involved if the bondholders don't get their money would be a bad look for all parties.
That equates to about £30m for 100% of stadium and other bits and bobs valued at £50m plus?

Ingnoring the BS dilapidations figure, is that too high?
 

Nick

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But Richardson staying in involved if the bondholders don't get their money would be a bad look for all parties.

I'm not sure they are that bothered what the bondholders get.

It could potentially be a less cash up front deal and then some shares?
 

wingy

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Im calling it now. What's the bet if Ashley gets his hands on it. A load of grants for regeneration in that arena become available by CCC
I wouldn't be surprised or necessarily be angered by this as long as that would have been available unless you mean it basically covers the value of this deal for him to progress foreward from there

I still refer to Simon Jordan remarks about turning the ground around,a new one being built , where and who let him in on that

Must be some outline plan somewhere,?
 

jordan210

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I am sure that has ben discussed informally with Reeves

It was mentioned there is availability to build the hotel - the one WPS applied for funding from WMCA?

The way Reeves mentioned his 4 pillars that a buyer needs to meet. One being regen. Sounds ike CCC have a plan for the area.

But id not be surprised if some of the grants are for things at the arena again. More waste of public money on a privately owed venue
 

tisza

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Is the Ashley interest a private one, Fraser group or another Ashley business entity?
 
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SkyblueDad

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The way Reeves mentioned his 4 pillars that a buyer needs to meet. One being regen. Sounds ike CCC have a plan for the area.

But id not be surprised if some of the grants are for things at the arena again. More waste of public money on a privately owed venue
There were ideas and plans for that area when the ground was first thought of years ago.
 

GIMOC

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Be good to see the timeline from ccfc making their payment and feeling there may be more on offer than a few home games to Ashley paying an exclusivity amount and keeping acl out of admin. Think both can be true


sorry Pete. Didn’t see this.

from my understanding and what I was told. even before Wasps went into admin, Ashley was keeping a close eye on events. It wasn’t an overnight decision.

Hoffman has been in dialogue with sisu (well Joy directly) I’m not saying Hoffman is the middle man in all this but I know he has been in dialogue with Joy since September.

My understanding, sisu would be open to offers at the right price. I feel CCFC ensured the Blackpool game went ahead knowing Ashley would then be the person to invest short term following weeks. Once we know tomorrow that Ashley is the preferred bidder I can see events escalating at a fast pace.
 

shepardo01

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Supposedly Fraser's he has ,/uses a vehicle called Mesh for his personal stuff I think.
Ahhhhhh. Interesting. Not mesh, It's MASH holdings.
Interesting to see where this goes... is there a difference or is Fraser part of MASH holdings?
 

jordan210

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remember Ashely was looking to refinance the bonds so he would have spoken to Richardson and wasps way before them going in to Admin.
 

skybluetony176

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Possible but absolutely no rumours to say that’s the case
Could just mean the NDA’s are holding up.

Using logic why would MA be interested in ACL without owning CCFC as well? He can’t be buying it to buy wasps and have us sitting there as tenants. Wasps can’t support ACL and ACL can’t support Wasps, the only reason ACL turns a profit as far as I can see is because CCFC pay rent and bring sizeable footfall to the arena meaning regular income. It’s a meagre profit too. ACL would be operating at loss if it wasn’t for CCFC. I might be wrong but ACL only makes sense with CCFC combined.
 

Covkid1968#

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sorry Pete. Didn’t see this.

from my understanding and what I was told. even before Wasps went into admin, Ashley was keeping a close eye on events. It wasn’t an overnight decision.

Hoffman has been in dialogue with sisu (well Joy directly) I’m not saying Hoffman is the middle man in all this but I know he has been in dialogue with Joy since September.

My understanding, sisu would be open to offers at the right price. I feel CCFC ensured the Blackpool game went ahead knowing Ashley would then be the person to invest short term following weeks. Once we know tomorrow that Ashley is the preferred bidder I can see events escalating at a fast pace.
By fast pace you mean arena then club by xmas. The Hoffmeister said it would all be done and dusted by Crimbo so maybe he is the man in the middle here
 
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