Where are ACL? (8 Viewers)

italiahorse · Sep 17, 2013

Nick said:
Cutting costs for a start. I am by no means saying they will be a saviours and we will be in the champions league within 5 years.

IF, I Note IF they do build a stadium and they do have it so the club gets a benefit from the income then it would be a good move.

So we have a new stadium and we need catering facilities. Do they finance the facilities themselves and employ the staff? Or do they, in a more cost effective way ask Compass to do it?
Compass say yes and in return for paying SISU £15M agree to take 90% of the profits (AS ACL, or similar). It's business ...... where's the safeguards on the SISU plan ?
There are other areas that I would not trust SISU. Don't get caught in the new stadium syndrome.

I think CCFC is a means to an end for SISU.

italiahorse · Sep 17, 2013

torchomatic said:
And where have you read that SISU will do this.

Business acumen

torchomatic · Sep 17, 2013

Ah, you made it up then. Say no more.

italiahorse said:
Business acumen

italiahorse · Sep 17, 2013

Sky Blue Kid said:
Nick says....Fix it yourself then if you are going to be like that!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I asked you for help, and the only time you said anything was to give me a bollocking for asking on a thread being used for another subject, and saying "Try another browser" nothing more was said or asked apart from me saying "Nothing seems to work!.................@ covmark...You asked if I was ten?........Ask Nick how old he is after saying this...."Fix it yourself then if you are going to be like that!" and...."I have tried to help, but I'm not going to bother if you can't even be polite and it is only you having the issue.".....................I was being polite when I originally asked for help...It was YOU that wasn't!...

I think you have upset him and he is doing it on purpose. Next you will be telling us you can't see that nude picture of yourself on your Avatar

torchomatic · Sep 17, 2013

I've never had any problem posting on the forum (apologies due for that obviously) regardless of browser or PC.

covcity4life · Sep 17, 2013

tuousis said:
You idiot,how old are you ?. Coventry supporters from th 40s 50s and 60s remember better days than SISU will ever give us, and 70s 80s. We will never reach that again with owners who do not attend matches.Stop you vile abuse and language and grow up.
Covcity-4life

so you see no hope and stop supporting?

shit fan.

valiant15 · Sep 17, 2013

Says the bloke who never even had a st when we were at the Ricoh.

Shit fan.

covcity4life · Sep 17, 2013

valiant15 said:
Says the bloke who never even had a st when we were at the Ricoh.

Shit fan.

i went to 12-15 games a season and it didnt stop me listening to every game i missed on radio,or buying kit etc

these guys are saying they will STOP caring about ccfc, no way you can argue thats the same.

valiant15 · Sep 17, 2013

Why do you think they've had it with the club? ?

Im not really interested anymore. Theyve killed the enthusiasm for most of us.

Not my fault-sisu's.

covcity4life · Sep 17, 2013

i completley understand people who are frustrated and saddened with it,i thinke very fan is

but throwing in the towel just aint on, im not sure how 4 games at northampton can sap the love of the club out of peoples hearts

keep the faith is what i would say, still a chance it could get better.

italiahorse · Sep 17, 2013

covcity4life said:
i went to 12-15 games a season and it didnt stop me listening to every game i missed on radio,or buying kit etc

these guys are saying they will STOP caring about ccfc, no way you can argue thats the same.

12 games ?
Will stop if they take us out of Coventry long term

valiant15 · Sep 17, 2013

covcity4life said:
i completley understand people who are frustrated and saddened with it,i thinke very fan is

but throwing in the towel just aint on, im not sure how 4 games at northampton can sap the love of the club out of peoples hearts

keep the faith is what i would say, still a chance it could get better.

Ive tried to keep the faith for about 33 years now. I think my faith has left me now lol.

italiahorse · Sep 17, 2013

valiant15 said:
Ive tried to keep the faith for about 33 years now. I think my faith has left me now lol.

33 years ?
Light weight fan ............ 46 years :claping hands:

torchomatic · Sep 17, 2013

italiahorse said:
When SISU did that last minute deal I would have thought they had leverage at that time to get that rent down to a fair level.
Or at least taken the sliding scale deal that the previous regime turned down.

So you're happy the football club don't own it then?

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covcity4life · Sep 17, 2013

valiant15 said:
Ive tried to keep the faith for about 33 years now. I think my faith has left me now lol.

your soul has left you! thats why your such a meanie.

Grendel · Sep 17, 2013

italiahorse said:
Your right, the previous owners messed up big time.
Unfortunately that means that CCFC will never (ever) own the stadium they play in.
I prefer the council to own it than some faceless hedge fund.

Your right - some bastard hedge fund would probably try and charge £1.2 million rent.

Astute · Sep 17, 2013

And this is all the crap that is keeping most people from posting.

stupot07 · Sep 17, 2013

italiahorse said:
So we have a new stadium and we need catering facilities. Do they finance the facilities themselves and employ the staff? Or do they, in a more cost effective way ask Compass to do it?
Compass say yes and in return for paying SISU £15M agree to take 90% of the profits (AS ACL, or similar). It's business ...... where's the safeguards on the SISU plan ?
There are other areas that I would not trust SISU. Don't get caught in the new stadium syndrome.

I think CCFC is a means to an end for SISU.

Compass more cost effective? I would argue that the current way of running things is a poor business model, they only make a mere 10% profit from F&B's, which is criminal when you consider the mark up on the products.

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Astute · Sep 17, 2013

stupot07 said:
Compass more cost effective? I would argue that the current way of running things is a poor business model, they only make a mere 10% profit from F&B's, which is criminal when you consider the mark up on the products.

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How can you go on about cost effective when we are playing in Northampton :laugh:

shmmeee · Sep 17, 2013

stupot07 said:
Compass more cost effective? I would argue that the current way of running things is a poor business model, they only make a mere 10% profit from F&B's, which is criminal when you consider the mark up on the products.

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Even so how are your beloved Sisu immune to bad business decisions (like, say, throwing several million in revenue and 85% of your customer base through nothing more than personal vendettas and awful PR)?

If your argument is "look its not a perfect business" then it's a silly argument.

fernandopartridge · Sep 17, 2013

Astute said:
And this is all the crap that is keeping most people from posting.

I thought you were fucking off?

stupot07 · Sep 17, 2013

shmmeee said:
Even so how are your beloved Sisu immune to bad business decisions (like, say, throwing several million in revenue and 85% of your customer base through nothing more than personal vendettas and awful PR)?

If your argument is "look its not a perfect business" then it's a silly argument.

'My beloved sisu' grow up.

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torchomatic · Sep 17, 2013

One of Italia's favourite sayings too.

stupot07 said:
'My beloved sisu' grow up.

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Astute · Sep 17, 2013

fernandopartridge said:
I thought you were fucking off?

You are right......because of fucking idiots like you. You must love bringing the worst out of people. Hate the truth. Change the subject when the truth comes out. Well done.

As I said will be loitering about. But I find it hard not to comment when so much shite comes out all the time. I love my football club. Idiots like you help to ruin it with being on the side of SISU all the time whilst saying you want them out.

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Sep 17, 2013

stupot07 said:
'My beloved sisu' grow up.

I do hope they take your advice
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shmmeee · Sep 17, 2013

stupot07 said:
'My beloved sisu' grow up.

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Answer the point. And I'm just extrapolating your feelings from the way you defend them at every turn. If it looks like a duck...

fernandopartridge · Sep 17, 2013

Astute said:
You are right......because of fucking idiots like you. You must love bringing the worst out of people. Hate the truth. Change the subject when the truth comes out. Well done.

As I said will be loitering about. But I find it hard not to comment when so much shite comes out all the time. I love my football club. Idiots like you help to ruin it with being on the side of SISU all the time whilst saying you want them out.

Please do another attention seeking "I'm leaving" speech.

I will continue to ask the same questions of ACL / CCC; it's not supporting SISU but supporting the right of my club to play at the stadium that was built for it. Not the right of a stadium management company to build up its balance sheet at the expense of my club.

stupot07 · Sep 17, 2013

shmmeee said:
Answer the point. And I'm just extrapolating your feelings from the way you defend them at every turn. If it looks like a duck...

Sisu aren't immune to bad business, they have made a right pigs ear of running the club and many horrendous decisions including moving to Sixfields. I don't want them here, but I won't let that deter me from acknowledging the contribution of others on our current plight.

I might look like a duck, but I float like a butterfly and sting like a bee.....

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Astute · Sep 17, 2013

fernandopartridge said:
Please do another attention seeking "I'm leaving" speech.

I will continue to ask the same questions of ACL / CCC; it's not supporting SISU but supporting the right of my club to play at the stadium that was built for it. Not the right of a stadium management company to build up its balance sheet at the expense of my club.

So why not ask the same questions of SISU? Is that because you know you will never get an answer? Are you trying to put pressure on the side that does care about our club? Aiming for the easy target? The only reachable target?

Sorry, have had a good drink today but still love my club. Nothing ever seems to change other than separating our fans. I am sorry I love my club so much. Sorry that I come on here. Would be easier for you if everyone on here agreed with attacking ACL all the time. Nobody is perfect. I certainly am not. But at least I have the capability of knowing what is wrong and who is at fault the most.

thaiskyblue · Sep 17, 2013

sisu would drive a nun to drink, chin up ASTUTE.

fernandopartridge · Sep 17, 2013

Astute said:
So why not ask the same questions of SISU? Is that because you know you will never get an answer? Are you trying to put pressure on the side that does care about our club? Aiming for the easy target? The only reachable target?

Sorry, have had a good drink today but still love my club. Nothing ever seems to change other than separating our fans. I am sorry I love my club so much. Sorry that I come on here. Would be easier for you if everyone on here agreed with attacking ACL all the time. Nobody is perfect. I certainly am not. But at least I have the capability of knowing what is wrong and who is at fault the most.

I have never said SISU aren't at fault more generally for their management of the club, it's not even in question and hasn't been for some considerable time. However, the continued ignorance of the faults of other parties specifically relating to the club's tenure at the Ricoh leads us to the impasse we're at now.

Astute · Sep 17, 2013

fernandopartridge said:
I have never said SISU aren't at fault more generally for their management of the club, it's not even in question and hasn't been for some considerable time. However, the continued ignorance of the faults of other parties specifically relating to the club's tenure at the Ricoh leads us to the impasse we're at now.

So who has ever said that ACL are guilt free? 99% of us know they are not. But 95% of us also know that SISU are more at fault than ACL. There is no ignorance that I have ever seen on this matter. But always see comments from yourself and about 6 others always having a go at ACL. It isn't as simple as that.

Only one side took us out of Coventry. Only one side......or shall we say Joy......won't get round the table and negotiate. Only one side was unhappy when CCC refinanced the mortgage on the Ricoh so the rent could be reduced to an affordable level for both sides. Only one side went for a judicial review. Only one side appealed once the judge figured out what they were up to. Only one side kept making comments when no comments should have been made during the administration process. Only one side has been proved to be lying by a judge.

Only one side can bring us back to Coventry. The other side is willing to talk. Do ACL need the money? We can only guess. Would SISU be better off bringing our club back to the Ricoh? Of course they would unless they are trying to send ACL to the wall.

You can keep on having a go at ACL. It won't help our cause. They won't be able to just give the ground to SISU. With the amount of effort you put into having a go at ACL all the time you would be of great benefit to our cause if you did the same against SISU.

lordsummerisle · Sep 17, 2013

stupot07 said:
'My beloved sisu' grow up.

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Ironically they actually are Shmmeee's beloved Sisu.

They've just had a bit of a lovers tiff at the minute, but he'll kiss and make up with them again soon.

Astute · Sep 17, 2013

lordsummerisle said:
Ironically they actually are Shmmeee's beloved Sisu.

They've just had a bit of a lovers tiff at the minute, but he'll kiss and make up with them again soon.

Why not answer me instead of trying to take the subject off track?

covmark · Sep 17, 2013

Astute said:
Why not answer me instead of trying to take the subject off track?

I thought you had left, that was a swift return

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