Interesting viewpoint, but I don't think you can't look at these things in isolation can you? When a football stadium was built in the north east of the city as little or no consideration was given to the economic vacuum that would be left around Highfield Road.
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Interesting viewpoint, but I don't think you can't look at these things in isolation can you? When a football stadium was built in the north east of the city as little or no consideration was given to the economic vacuum that would be left around Highfield Road.
Ian1779
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The CET probably knew and sat on the story for the last 2 years..... you know to keep their pals at County Hall happy.
letsallsingtogether
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So its OK for a football team to screw over a Rugby team but not the other away around.
I don't believe CRFC are stupid enough to get into bed with Sisu.
At the end of the day the council have Screwed CCFC over, but don't kid yourself our owners don't give a fuck about CCFC ether!!
chiefdave
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Certainly isn't, FWIW.
I know we're talking in IFs, but if CRFC didn't want the football club muscling in on their ground, it'd be time for another poorly attended protest I reckon
I think that's a given.
Nick
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Nope, far from it. If (not that I think it will) we did go to the Butts then it will certainly need to benefit them and help them. I wouldn't want CCFC muscling in and trying to take everything, it would need to benefit both but help both grow at the same time.
ceetee
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Don't always agree with you but I do on this one. I would go further. There were two parties to the deal and I wonder if the then management of ACL were trying to put obstacles in the way of Wasps. After all the guy who did the deal didn't last very long afterwards
Rusty Trombone
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http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/rugby/butts-park-arena-deal-secures-3067399
Unless anything has changed since this article then CRFC still have 120 years left on their lease, nothing can be done without their permission, and even if they wanted to join forces with SISU/CCFC in some kind of joint venture then I'd have thought the freeholder, CCC, would have to agree to someone else coming in on the lease.
Unless anything has changed since this article then CRFC still have 120 years left on their lease, nothing can be done without their permission, and even if they wanted to join forces with SISU/CCFC in some kind of joint venture then I'd have thought the freeholder, CCC, would have to agree to someone else coming in on the lease.
letsallsingtogether
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Certainly isn't, FWIW.
I know we're talking in IFs, but if CRFC didn't want the football club muscling in on their ground, it'd be time for another poorly attended protest I reckon
Those days are over our fans don't have the fight in them.
And I have used up all my Annual leave
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letsallsingtogether
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Never said he shouldn't?
Just said he and his mate Torch are boring and as you said that's just an opinion, oh and an observation.
Ok, so they are not going to live happily ever after. Pity, but I am going to bed anyway.....thought reality would click in at some time. Night all...
letsallsingtogether
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covmark
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Believer of what?Lies/fool
That coming from the believer
Lies/fool
letsallsingtogether
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Of the Empire!
The_Coventry
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They definitely knew about the Wasps deal well before they ran that story. They've been in bed with the council for years.
italiahorse
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From experience I think they can trust Sisu ?
italiahorse
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Its also OK for a football team to look after a Rugby team for mutual benefit but not the other way round.
Nick
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Yes, we benefit a lot from wasps! All the money we make from their games.
Captain Dart
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Don't think so, the board of directors was composed of 2 CCC officers, 2 Higgs Charity representatives and one independent. If anything the Higgs reps. might have resisted the poor price till they came to a point of acceptance, but once CCC decided to sell I don't think they had much choice and with all the legal stuff going on I don't blame them for getting out.
italiahorse
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We have not negotiated a deal with Wasps yet.
skybluetony176
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Do you expect us to be benefiting from CRFC games if we own the Butts?
chiefdave
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My starting point would be CRFC gets full benefit of any rugby events, CCFC gets any benefit of any football events. The rest then gets split on some basis but if we're assuming CCFC / SISU are in someway funding the redevelopment then they would get most of the benefit.
For me the key point is CRFC are no worse off. If they can make a bit more while we also prosper then everyone is happy.
Do we know whether or not CRFC are worse off since Wasps arrived?
Nick
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I would expect both teams to be benefiting. Not just one way. I wouldn't expect ccfc to go in and take any crfc revenue and name them worse off, I'd want them to be better off to make it worthwhile.
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Short term probably not. Long term... absolutely.
(unless, of course, there's an ideal world scenario for them where Wasps raise interest in Rugby in the city in general, before bogging off elsewhere/going pop)
(AND ANOTHER THING, still wondering why an owner desperate to bring top flight Rugby to the city of Coventry didn't buy the club already in the city, and give them the funds to get there. Not *that* many divisions they'd have to climb, after all.)
skybluetony176
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What if CRFC see it as they're providing the land/lease and no doubt there will be some sort of grant available to them from the EU, RFU or maybe from there own backers for the redevelopment. How do you know that we won't be their tenants and us being their tenant is the motivation they need to redevelop the Butts? For all you know our situation could be worse than the one we're currently in as we're still renting, have limited access to revenue streams and have limited ourselves to a ceiling of 15k a game in ticket revenue.
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fernandopartridge
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Why would the EU grant money to Cov RFC to redevelop their ground? Why would the RFU?
skybluetony176
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I seem to remember that the Ricoh was part funded with grants from everyman and their dog. Why wouldn't similar grants be available for the redevelopment of the Butts?
chiefdave
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The Ricoh had £4.4m from European Regional Development Fund and £4.8m from Advantage West Midlands.
To get an ERDF grant the Butts redevelopment would have to qualify as sustainable urban development.
AWM is a lot more vauge, you could get pretty much anything to meet their requirements so I guess its more down to if they want to support your project or not.
skybluetony176
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So it is possible then that the Butts will receive grants for development. As I also said how do you know that it won't be CRFC doing the development and we'll be their tenants? It is possible. Might also explain the lack of ambition where capacity is concerned, CRFC don't need a 25k stadium and in all likelihood never will. We possibly might on the other hand.
fernandopartridge
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It was a derelict brownfield site though and the applicant was the Regional Development Agency who managed ERDF at that time.
chiefdave
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Its possible of course, we don't know any of the details so pretty much anything is possible. For all we know it could be a 80K underground stadium
fernandopartridge
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Not sure about that chief, AWM and the other Regional Development Agencies were abolished in 2010. The local enterprise partnership may be able to draw down European money, but I doubt redeveloping an existing stadium would qualify.
chiefdave
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Probably be quite tricky to get a grant from them if they don't exist anymore :laugh: did anything similar replace it or do it just get cut?
EDRF has state aid implications, can't be used to distort the market so might be a non starter even if stadium redevelopment did meet their criteria.
skybluetony176
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Its possible of course, we don't know any of the details so pretty much anything is possible. For all we know it could be a 80K underground stadium
Indeed. And as the article that the thread is supposed to be about is the Trust asking for clarity on just that. Shame it got twisted into another Wasps thread.
Only two clubs should have been discussed on this thread and that's CCFC and CRFC. That lasted as far as post #2.