Give TM a chance (21 Viewers)

[Voice_of_Reason]

TM always said this was a two year plan. Since he arrived he has turned a shambles of a club and put in foundations and structure for the future. He has done this on peanuts of a budget. Build a club on sand and it will fall down. Build on firm foundations and it will not. Yes, we are disappointed after showing promise, but is the club ready to survive in the championship at this moment in time? Look at what TM has achieved, not what he hasn't.

 

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[dongonzalos]

The fact you even have to post this thread is worrying.
Luckily it is only a handful who are a tad clueless

 

[wingy]

Are Burton ready for the Championship?

 

[mrtrench]

Are Burton ready for the Championship?

On the evidence of consistently winning then yes. On the evidence of our capitulation we are not.

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

Are Burton ready for the Championship?

They will be with the TV money they get from promotion.

 

[Greggs]

Are Burton ready for the Championship?

A club with 4 promotions behind them in the last 15 years, compared to our 2 relegation's....

 

[Ashdown]

Foundations ? What foundations exactly. This squad is looking like finishing around 13th now and then come June it will be a complete re build ? We have been set up to be a non loss making League One club by our owners. They have given Mowbray an opportunity to bring in players as long as they are largely on the cheap to be fair but he seems to have got almost everything wrong from December onwards. We are still awaiting the results of yet more court actions and we still haven't got a long term stadium deal in place, I'd say we are still a very rudderless ship !?

 

[stupot07]

Its hard to buy in to the 2 year plan when your having to rebuild after losing your best players and replacing the majority of the squad.


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[Otis]

The fact you even have to post this thread is worrying.
Luckily it is only a handful who are a tad clueless

3 times in the play-offs, 3 times blown it. Could well be that the clueless tag should be labeled against Mowbray (and no, I do not want him sacked. I want him to learn from his mistakes).

 

[Samo]

Its hard to buy in to the 2 year plan when your having to rebuild after losing your best players and replacing the majority of the squad.


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I've always thought the 2 year plan referred more to the club as whole than the team itself

 

[stupot07]

I've always thought the 2 year plan referred more to the club as whole than the team itself

I'd agree with that but generally people will think its about the first team and promotion.

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[Marty]

We have to keep him, hes been let down by a lot of the players. The centre back situation is ridiculous, I've never known so many players get injured from one position, most of his signings since January have been awful (seems like panic buying).

Still a long way to go and we can't give up yet.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Its hard to buy in to the 2 year plan when your having to rebuild after losing your best players and replacing the majority of the squad.


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Based on the form the last few months will we actually miss any of them that much? Armstrong yes, not sure about the rest.

 

[Bob Latchford]

TM always said this was a two year plan. Since he arrived he has turned a shambles of a club and put in foundations and structure for the future. He has done this on peanuts of a budget. Build a club on sand and it will fall down. Build on firm foundations and it will not. Yes, we are disappointed after showing promise, but is the club ready to survive in the championship at this moment in time? Look at what TM has achieved, not what he hasn't.

Agreed !

 

[stupot07]

Based on the form the last few months will we actually miss any of them that much? Armstrong yes, not sure about the rest.

Whilst that's true, they are still or better players and you'd want to build around them rather than replace them, and as poor as this form is, they were part of the early season good form too.

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[wingy]

We have to keep him, hes been let down by a lot of the players. The centre back situation is ridiculous, I've never known so many players get injured from one position, most of his signings since January have been awful (seems like panic buying).

Still a long way to go and we can't give up yet.

It's a little like SP in respect of we had a squad based on a Sixfields budget, then expanded it with the increase from our return.
This season we opened with a tight small squad and as crowds increased,the budget expanded to allow what appears to be a lot of tinkering.
The obsession with collecting midfielders over defensive or goalkeeping options for me is an error.
TM has admitted himself to needing to be cautious when bringing in reinforcements, not to upset the dressing room.
There must be two or three midfielders wondering what they did wrong.

 

[christonabike]

TM has bought badly since Christmas so lets hope he is already earmarking players for next season (not journey men) as we cant continue to chop and change the squad as we go along. Injuries have been terrible but we were 20 mins from relegation last season so lets not be unrealistic. We are all disappointed with the drop in form but if we can start from a stronger platform next season lets see how we fair. 20 players out of contract, 20 players that maybe are not good enough to get us promoted.

 

[Hobo]

Are Burton ready for the Championship?

Many said they weren't ready for League 1....then it was they won't stay the pace, they will fade....we were going to smash it with Wigan apparently?

 

[Otis]

First thing we need to do is to disband the 34 Club and give everyone their membership cards back.

Cole, Hunt, Henderson, Ricketts, Fortune. All 34.

Tudgay will be gutted though of course as he is just one year shy of joining the club and was very much looking forwards to his next birthday.

They are all welcome to join the Cherry Tree Club if they want and stuff their faces on vegetarian food, mind.

 

[skybluealan]

1988-89 season we finished 7th; 2005-06 season finished 8th; every other season we finished in double figures since 88-89. We are 9th now and 3 points from the play-offs and people are talking about getting rid of TM. This has been a good season overall and we still have a chance, I for one wants TM be Coventry manager for a long time.

 

[christonabike]

"First thing we need to do is to disband the 34 Club and give everyone their membership cards back.

Cole, Hunt, Henderson, Ricketts, Fortune. All 34.

Tudgay will be gutted though of course as he is just one year shy of joining the club and was very much looking forwards to his next birthday.

They are all welcome to join the Cherry Tree Club if they want and stuff their faces on vegetarian food, mind."

And listen to far out music.

 

[Otis]

3 play-off crashes, 4th to come?

 

[dongonzalos]

He took Hibs into the top four in back to back years for the first time ever and won the Scottish football writers manager of the year for doing so.
He took over a relegation battling West Brom side and got them to 4th in the table and lost 1-0 in the play off finals (I would not see that as a failure season)
As I wouldn't see this season as a failure with us.
He then changed the whole squad made it his team and won the title and got to FA cup semi finals
( that's what I hope for next season a resounding success)

Failed at Celtic

Joined Middlesborough and saved them from relegation.

Finished 7th the next season
Not a failure having taken on a relegation battling side the season before. (IMHO)

Left the club the next season. (Failed)

So for me he screwed up at Celtic and once at Middlesborough his final season when he left the club in October after a crap start.

 

[Grendel]

The fact you even have to post this thread is worrying.
Luckily it is only a handful who are a tad clueless

Mowbray's run in right up there with Dowie Boothroyd and Adams. They were all sacked.

Clueless ones are those that stick their fingers in their ears and just think things will turn round.

 

[Otis]

You sure do know how to put spin on, Dongo.

2011/12 season, at Christmas Middlesborough were 3rd. They finished the season in 7th place. 5 points outside the play-offs.

2012/13 season, at Christmas Middlesborough were 3rd and 7 points clear of 7th place.

They finished 16th.

Even Mowbray himself has said this has happened twice before to him.

 

[fernandopartridge]

It's a little like SP in respect of we had a squad based on a Sixfields budget, then expanded it with the increase from our return.
This season we opened with a tight small squad and as crowds increased,the budget expanded to allow what appears to be a lot of tinkering.
The obsession with collecting midfielders over defensive or goalkeeping options for me is an error.
TM has admitted himself to needing to be cautious when bringing in reinforcements, not to upset the dressing room.
There must be two or three midfielders wondering what they did wrong.

Unfair wingy. Yes we've got a lot of midfielders but Mowbray been very unlucky with injuries to the back 4. Johnson, Turner, Martin and now Stokes all had lengthy injuries.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Mowbray's run in right up there with Dowie Boothroyd and Adams. They were all sacked.

Clueless ones are those that stick their fingers in their ears and just think things will turn round.

They were all sacked and as a result the club moved forwards.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

3 times in the play-offs, 3 times blown it. Could well be that the clueless tag should be labeled against Mowbray (and no, I do not want him sacked. I want him to learn from his mistakes).

you sound like a parent scolding a 4 year old. This season has seen progress made. It took Jimmy Hill 2 and a half years to get us out of division 3 in the sixties. That from a position much stronger than the one TM finds himself in. No doubt JH would be taking stick from people on here for not achieving promotion straight away. I have really enjoyed this season. That includes the last two away games I have been to, Shrewsbury and last night. On both of these occasions the team were given a standing ovation at the end, a) because they ran their socks off and b) because their performances warrented much more than the results they ended up with. TM tries to play fast, exciting attacking football. There was more excitment in that match last night than the whole of Pressley's tenure last season. Yes, we are going to have to build again next season. I am sure it will be like starting all over again. However, there does seem to be a plan. It does look like they are trying to build and build early, and with our own players. It does look like the Maddison money is being reinvested. Time will tell, but to me it does look like Anderson is trying to do the right thing. He seems to have a strategy to move forward. (Doesn't mean I like or trust Sisu). Look what TM has done this season, and the hope he has given. He is not a miracle worker, no manager ( apart from JH maybe) is. His "failures" at Middlesborough are constantly brought up to show that he is a bottler. Clough failed at Leeds and Brighton, Shankley at Huddersfield. Both went on to have amazing success. What he needs is time and support from the club. I am sick of the hire and fire policy, revolving door managers are in and out with no time or chance of succeeding at our club. We have had 12 managers in the 14 years since relegation from the top flight. Our current position is where that policy has got us. Some on here seem to think we should just carry on doing the same old thing. In my view, the club need to stick by TM, not be swayed by dips in results, keep a long term vision in mind and stick to it. As Anderson said at the Trust forum, constantly changing managers doesn't work. We have a good one ( opinion based on having supported this club for 50 years). We need to stick with him and give him a chance.

 

[stupot07]

Unfair wingy. Yes we've got a lot of midfielders but Mowbray been very unlucky with injuries to the back 4. Johnson, Turner, Martin and now Stokes all had lengthy injuries.

He hasn't been unlucky with Johnson's injury, he's missed at least half a season for the last 7-8 years. Its his injury that has caused all the problems trying to replace him. We were unlucky with Turner but had he stayed fit, I don't think he'd have stayed beyond his loan spell. Martin, willis and now stokes though.

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[RegTheDonk]

They were all sacked and as a result the club moved forwards.

I take it you mean it was a temporary, short term improvement, perhaps to prevent relegation because this club hasn't moved forward in about fifteen years.

 

[oscillatewildly]

Are Burton ready for the Championship?

From the ten mins I peeked at the bookies earlier, they didn't look as though they were ready for the pre match warm up.

 

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

Mowbray's run in right up there with Dowie Boothroyd and Adams. They were all sacked.

And without those sackings we'd never have had the period of glorious success that followed.

 

[Grendel]

And without those sackings we'd never have had the period of glorious success that followed.

With the exception of Boothroyd the successor in all occasions did create short term improvement.

There is no medium term in football let alone long term.

 

[fernandopartridge]

He hasn't been unlucky with Johnson's injury, he's missed at least half a season for the last 7-8 years. Its his injury that has caused all the problems trying to replace him. We were unlucky with Turner but had he stayed fit, I don't think he'd have stayed beyond his loan spell. Martin, willis and now stokes though.

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And Turner. Regardless of Johnson's past this has been a particularly long lay off.

 

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

With the exception of Boothroyd the successor in all occasions did create short term improvement.

There is no medium term in football let alone long term.

I understand your views on Thorn, but he did end the run under Bothroyd that was much worse than our current run and had us heading towards relegation.

Another case though where the improvement from a sacking was short lived. Unless we try sacking managers on a monthly basis to try to get a whole season full of "short term bounces", we're going to have to try something different.

Wasn't it Einstein who said that the definition of insanity was doing the same thing and expecting a different result?

Perhaps your final sentence encapsulates the problem that has to be addressed.