clint van damme
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Exactly, Cameron said if he won a 2nd term he'd have a referendum so the Scots went to the polls knowing it was a possibility but not a certainty.
The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (127 Viewers)
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dancers lance
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David Cameron promised an in/out EU referendum in 2013.
Kingokings204
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Fair enough and no one has said they shouldn't have a second referendum. They should of course if that's what they want.
Kingokings204
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Plain wrong. I hope it's not true.
Captain Dart
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LOL, they'll be thinking of a way to offer the 2 choices they're prepared to give, do you want to stay in and do you want to stay in.
Sumo the Micky Quinn
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lewys33
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As long as everyone takes a pen.
'Global Landscape' ??
clint van damme
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Unfortunately not.
Seems there's a section of leave voters who though that all foreigners would be gone by Sunday evening.
lewys33
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Yh hills and shit. Different colours and everything.
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Global landscape, yes.
Yes I know how to spell it, I was just interested in exactly what you meant by it ?
dancers lance
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I'm sure that some thick racist twats have done this but it would be an absolute minuscule minority, this woman is an absolute moron and I have never trusted a word that came out of her mouth.
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Social, cultural... that kind of thing.
Yes fine, it's happening, no problem really with it but it has to be done steadily, affordably and with all people partaking.
Economic?
Sumo the Micky Quinn
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A little bit more information
http://news.sky.com/story/1717862/police-probe-post-brexit-attacks-on-poles
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Indeed.
It's a lot harder to find the unexpected nowadays. The fact we can have petty arguments in real time with people in Germany, Netherlands, Spain also shows how the world closes in a media and communications way.
Tell you what, if the internet was about when my granddad was alive, he'd have emigrated to Spain like a shot. Skype would have been his saviour!
chiefdave
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Haven't seen a breakdown like that, where is it from? The only ones I've seen have been around median age
Problem is younger voters have been conditioned not to vote as they feel their vote doesn't count under our usual electoral system and that none of the major parties represent their views. That may well have carried over to this vote despite it not being FPTP.
chiefdave
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But if you were the leader of the SNP, a party that has a long history of wanting independence, what would you do? Your country has voted resoundingly to stay in the EU. The EU are making noises about making an exception to the usual process should Scotland and / or NI wish to join. You could very easily justify running another referendum on that basis.
And what if Scotland then vote leave? Do we have another referendum on the EU? Its not as simple as discounting Scottish votes as there will be many English people who reside in Scotland and voted there.
lewys33
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Joking aside (I've been dropping some gold this eve) I had a heated discussion with my Nan earlier.
She told me she voted out, not because of immigration but to stop everyone coming here .......
It went on from there and we got on to the refugees etc. She thinks that if we (Britain) were to go to war, my wife and child should be shipped away to somewhere like Wales on train for safety while the men fight for our country. When I explained to her that the world is a very different place and that my priority would be getting my family to safety she accused me of being unpatriotic and giving up our freedom. I think she expects us to fight the terrorists in trenches or something ......
But it does show that the older generation can be so far out of touch and stuck in the 40s that they do not have a clue how modern society works. It's a shame and the young do have the right to feel screwed over I think (despite what you think about turnout).
She told me she voted out, not because of immigration but to stop everyone coming here .......
It went on from there and we got on to the refugees etc. She thinks that if we (Britain) were to go to war, my wife and child should be shipped away to somewhere like Wales on train for safety while the men fight for our country. When I explained to her that the world is a very different place and that my priority would be getting my family to safety she accused me of being unpatriotic and giving up our freedom. I think she expects us to fight the terrorists in trenches or something ......
But it does show that the older generation can be so far out of touch and stuck in the 40s that they do not have a clue how modern society works. It's a shame and the young do have the right to feel screwed over I think (despite what you think about turnout).
chiefdave
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They're changing their tune now. Reports are coming out that they may be prepared to offer a fast track to Scotland and NI if they hold independence referendums as they didn't vote to leave the EU.
Ha saw something similar re our vote with a new ballot paper Leave/Remain
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Are you sure?
dancers lance
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Well I hope the police will convict this tiny minority of morons and I'm sure they can easily find those who are posting hate online, I also hope they go after those posting hate and unfounded accusations of racism against people who voted leave.
Went out socially with a fair sized group of people last night, all in their 30's, 40's and 50's and one old boy in his 70's. Most voted Out, some voted In, the old fella voted Remain. All of these folk work either for other companies or themselves, all are fair minded people, no jingoism, no bigotry, no celebration, all fairly intelligent, just cast their democratic vote as is their right.
Astute
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So we only got one go at the EU referendum. If we voted remain we would have stayed in whatever. But you say Scotland should be able to have a vote whenever a decision is made that they don't like? Should we have been allowed another referendum if the Scottish vote was enough to have kept us in?
clint van damme
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one
of the conditions of the Scottish referendum was that it wouldn't be binding if there was a material change in the status of the UK, for example, leaving the EU.
Astute
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Maybe they think that they will get a net gain of 2.5b off each country that stays in the EU. If so they will be in for a surprise. Or they think it will make it look better if only England leaves.
Astute
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There are a lot more Scottish living in England than English living in Scotland. So if it is as you say the English vote was even bigger to leave.
Maybe they are respecting the wishes of the people - at Last.
dutchman
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In other words they were lying previously in order to influence the result of the Scottish referendum.
What else are they lying about?
lewys33
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Coming over here stealing our jobs.
Captain Dart
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Your Nan must be ancient, its been 71 years since WWII ended, there is only something like 8% of people that actually remember the 40's and most of them were children under 12 at the time.
chiefdave
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But how would you account for that? Voting is anonymous, you couldn't somehow remove Scottish votes. You'd have to have another vote.