Brexit/SISU (8 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Kid]

Yawnnnnnnn, Great Britain never signed up for EU rule. We've had a referendum on something that never happened in the first place. Now are you going to reply to my post about Greece, Italy, and ROI or are you going to dance around like a politician with your Britain is "Failing" shit?

Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn, Rinse and repeat...

Yawnnnnnnn, Great Britain never signed up for EU rule. We've had a referendum on something that never happened in the first place. Now are you going to reply to my post about Greece, Italy, and ROI or are you going to dance around like a politician with your Britain is "Failing" shit?

 

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[Sky Blue Kid]

I am moving there as it is my right as an EU citizen and my partner is Italian. We are moving there as she does not feel welcome in this country and we are both fed up with the poor quality of life and never being able to buy a house.

I actually think the EU will be better off long run without the UK, actually. I want it to remain as I want what is best for the UK and to stop right wig zealots from trashing the place.

There is so much ignorance and a lack of understanding about the EU on this forum, most of it just recycled from the Express and Mail.

I personally think the other way round, but never mind you go and enjoy your life with your partner in Italy(Meant Sincerely btw) Racism is a vile thing and I can only apologise for my fellow Countrymen/women for behaving like they did towards your partner. As for the second part of your post, it is only classed that way by you to promote your opinion! Have a good life in Italy

 

[martcov]

Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn, Rinse and repeat...

I remember the Greek and Italian currencies always being weak and regularly collapsing. That they these countries are on wobble again is not really unusual. I have no idea what will happen with them.

I am more concerned with ROI and Northern Ireland as these affect us directly. I have family and friends in the south and business contacts in both parts. I have told you why and asked your opinion- but you deflect to Italy and Greece. Another subject seeing as we are not in the Euro.

The Euro is getting stronger against the pound, so it would appear people have less faith in the Brexit pound than the Euro.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

I remember the Greek and Italian currencies always being weak and regularly collapsing. That they these countries are on wobble again is not really unusual. I have no idea what will happen with them.

I am more concerned with ROI and Northern Ireland as these affect us directly. I have family and friends in the south and business contacts in both parts. I have told you why and asked your opinion- but you deflect to Italy and Greece. Another subject seeing as we are not in the Euro.

The Euro is getting stronger against the pound, so it would appear people have less faith in the Brexit pound than the Euro.

But, conveniently was OK! when GB bailed out ROI to the sum of £18b a couple of years ago! Regarding NI/ROI borders.. conflict of interests for them both. A tough one of which I can see no remedy atm

 

[martcov]

But, conveniently was OK! when GB bailed out ROI to the sum of £18b a couple of years ago! Regarding NI/ROI borders.. conflict of interests for them both. A tough one of which I can see no remedy atm

The remedy for Ireland is soft Brexit or no Brexit- but that doesn't fit the English Brexiters' viewpoint.

The other remedy if the first part doesn't happen, is start negotiations for the reunionification of Ireland- this time as an independent country.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

The remedy for Ireland is soft Brexit or no Brexit- but that doesn't fit the English Brexiters' viewpoint.

The other remedy if the first part doesn't happen, is start negotiations for the reunionification of Ireland- this time as an independent country.

I think you're forgetting Wales too! but that doesn't fit your viewpoint... I see you didn't reply to the first part of my post! Blind? or didn't suit your pov?

 

[martcov]

I think you're forgetting Wales too! but that doesn't fit your viewpoint... I see you didn't reply to the first part of my post! Blind? or didn't suit your pov?

I am not forgetting Wales, but there will be no EU land border between England and Wales. Wales voted for Brexit although it will cost them a lot financially as they get more out than they put in.

Which post? I am now confused as one post said you were out of this...

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

But, conveniently was OK! when GB bailed out ROI to the sum of £18b a couple of years ago! Regarding NI/ROI borders.. conflict of interests for them both. A tough one of which I can see no remedy atm

This post and I could put up a couple more asking the same thing!

 

[martcov]

This post and I could put up a couple more asking the same thing!

When I have a cash flow shortfall at certain times of the year, my main supplier grants me credit - bails me out. It is in his and my interest. Ireland and Britain need each other because of the high proportion of trade with one another. A bailout was necessary for both sides. Interdependence on trade will be another possible problem if we leave the EU on a hard Brexit ticket.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

I am not forgetting Wales, but there will be no EU land border between England and Wales. Wales voted for Brexit although it will cost them a lot financially as they get more out than they put in.

Which post? I am now confused as one post said you were out of this...

Weird that!!! I didn't know Wales were solely dependant on themselves I always thought they were part of the UK!... You live and learn!

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

When I have a cash flow shortfall at certain times of the year, my main supplier grants me credit - bails me out. It is in his and my interest. Ireland and Britain need each other because of the high proportion of trade with one another. A bailout was necessary for both sides. Interdependence on trade will be another possible problem if we leave the EU on a hard Brexit ticket.

It's been said throughout the media, and even politicians have said it... EU needs the UK much more than the UK needs the EU.

 

[martcov]

Weird that!!! I didn't know Wales were solely dependant on themselves I always thought they were part of the UK!... You live and learn!

Nor did I. Wales had a development agency funded by the EU and some areas of Wales qualify for EU funds. Wales has it's own devolved parliament although they are part of the UK.

I have no idea why you now think that Wales is independent.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Nor did I. Wales had a development agency funded by the EU and some areas of Wales qualify for EU funds. Wales has it's own devolved parliament although they are part of the UK.

I have no idea why you now think that Wales is independent.

It's called "Sarcasm" :facepalm:... I've also lived in Wales for the last 34 years!

 

[Astute]

Nor did I. Wales had a development agency funded by the EU and some areas of Wales qualify for EU funds. Wales has it's own devolved parliament although they are part of the UK.

I have no idea why you now think that Wales is independent.

As Wales are part of the UK they get some of the money back that they put in.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Listen mate.... You've got your opinion, and I've got mine ok? This definately is my last post on this subject. Carry on arguing with someone else, or better still......Yourself! Bye-Bye :locktopic:

 

[martcov]

As Wales are part of the UK they get some of the money back that they put in.

You have to do a separate calculation to get the figure for what portion the relatively low Welsh population pays into the EU via the U.K., and what development funds Wales gets out of the EU directly.

Plaid Cymru reckon they get more out than they pay in.

 

[martcov]

Listen mate.... You've got your opinion, and I've got mine ok? This definately is my last post on this subject. Carry on arguing with someone else, or better still......Yourself! Bye-Bye :locktopic:

I think you mean me and I look forward to your next post on this subject.... ;-)

 

[clint van damme]

I absolutely love this... Enjoy...

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/three-great-myths-of-the-sulking-remainers/

can't believe you've linked a Rod Liddle artlcle! You perhaps should have had a look at his 'back catalogue' first.
Apart from his racism and quips about Auschwitz he also attacked his pregnant girlfriend. There are a lot better articles by better writers and better human beings that you could have linked to prove your point than that cretin.
Still, he's a Millwall supporter so I've no doubt his list of misdemeanours are, in fact, somebody else's fault.

 

[chiefdave]

Putting it plainly most of the politicians lied to us. But here we are with the same old line. Making out that the exit voters didn't know what they voted for. It would be like throwing your toys out of the pram after each general election. They lie to us and we don't get what we are promised.

I suppose the difference is with a general election you pretty much know what you're getting when you vote for a particular party. Of course they all spout rubbish but you pretty much know where you stand with any party. And of course the worse case scenario you only have to wait 4 years to change your vote.

With the referendum some of the lies being told were whoppers even by politicians standards.

The idea put forward earlier in the thread that there should have been one referendum to see if we wanted to consider exit and then another once we knew what the terms were isn't a bad idea but of course is one of the things that should have been considered before hand.

 

[Astute]

You have to do a separate calculation to get the figure for what portion the relatively low Welsh population pays into the EU via the U.K., and what development funds Wales gets out of the EU directly.

Plaid Cymru reckon they get more out than they pay in.

So where does the money come from. Wales or the central government?

 

[Astute]

I suppose the difference is with a general election you pretty much know what you're getting when you vote for a particular party. Of course they all spout rubbish but you pretty much know where you stand with any party. And of course the worse case scenario you only have to wait 4 years to change your vote.

With the referendum some of the lies being told were whoppers even by politicians standards.

The idea put forward earlier in the thread that there should have been one referendum to see if we wanted to consider exit and then another once we knew what the terms were isn't a bad idea but of course is one of the things that should have been considered before hand.

I don't disagree. But we have to go forward from where we are now. Maybe Cameron shouldn't have gone chasing votes in the general election by offering us the vote on the EU. We could come out with ifs and buts all day. But it won't help the situation.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Nor did I. Wales had a development agency funded by the EU and some areas of Wales qualify for EU funds. Wales has it's own devolved parliament although they are part of the UK.

I have no idea why you now think that Wales is independent.

You're wrong about how Welsh or other development agencies are funded. It will be generally funded by the UK government (devolved to the Welsh assembly). They can then draw down European funding for different projects etc, but it must be matched by UK government spending, and the UK government spending needs to be on the same sort of thing, i.e. NHS spending can't be used as 'match' against EU money spent redeveloping docklands for example.

 

[Captain Dart]

Yes, you do because "overcrowding" is a relative term. There is more space, for instance, in the U.K. given over to golf courses than housing.
There are also fifty other countries worldwide that have a higher population density than the U.K.
We aren't even the country with the highest pop. density in the EU. - that's Holland.

This is just one bit of bullshit spouted by a Brexiteers to justify their stupidity.

Another disingenuous point badly made, Holland is pretty flat, Scotland & Wales are not, there are virtually no houses on the Munros or Snowden.
Most of the countries with higher population density than the UK are very small, like the Vatican City, Monaco or Bahrain.
Of the countries with higher population density and big populations, well I wouldn't want to be remotely as crowed as Bangladesh or the Philippines, no sirree!

 

[Captain Dart]

I remember the Greek and Italian currencies always being weak and regularly collapsing. That they these countries are on wobble again is not really unusual. I have no idea what will happen with them.

I am more concerned with ROI and Northern Ireland as these affect us directly. I have family and friends in the south and business contacts in both parts. I have told you why and asked your opinion- but you deflect to Italy and Greece. Another subject seeing as we are not in the Euro.

The Euro is getting stronger against the pound, so it would appear people have less faith in the Brexit pound than the Euro.

Same today as it was in 2007 isn't it? I'm sure it will change again ad the pound will strengthen. They're not fixed to each other they are distinct currencies!

 

[dadgad]

So we should build everywhere and not care? Carry on building on flood plains? Dig up the countryside?

Did you know that we already have a vast amount of homeless people?

The truth is we can't cope with what we have now. Record homelessness. Hospitals that can't cope. Roads that get blocked all the time. We need the infrastructure to catch up. And who is going to pay for it all? Would you be happy for massive tax increases? The younger generations have it hard enough already.

I am one of the lucky ones. Still in my 40's. Bought my first house in the 90's. Nice 3 bed semi for 26k. Less than 1.5 times my salary. I managed to get a job with a final salary pension. I would be better off staying in the EU. But I have to consider the future of my kids and grandkids.

I live in an area where the infrastructure is in place. There are plenty of well paid jobs. We had someone who was visiting recently who was rushed to hospital. She couldn't believe how empty the hospital was. A traffic jam is being held up by 30 seconds. But as soon as we get on the M6 reality hits home.

We need to forget about high speed railways and build houses that are fit and big enough to live in that don't get flooded each time it rains. We need hospitals that are paid for and not rented. We need more roads.
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I agree with you ASTUTE about housing, infrastructure, etc. But this IS the problem.
These are the sad consequences of DOMESTIC failure. The failure of Blair and Cameron govts to invest in things that are desperately required.
A shortage of housing, as CORBYN pointed out is not the fault of immigrants.
Scapegoating by the British media has to be the most shameful aspects of the Brexit debate and the idiocy of the brainwashed.

 

[dadgad]

Another disingenuous point badly made, Holland is pretty flat, Scotland & Wales are not, there are virtually no houses on the Munros or Snowden.
Most of the countries with higher population density than the UK are very small, like the Vatican City, Monaco or Bahrain.
Of the countries with higher population density and big populations, well I wouldn't want to be remotely as crowed as Bangladesh or the Philippines, no sirree!

Actually it was very well made you just find it disagreeable to your rut like thinking. Golf courses are deliberately built near Connurbations to attract customers and there are over 2750 in the U.K. These are wide open spaces and fly in the face of the nonsense of "we are overcrowded"
Furthermore, Hughly congested cities like London tend to go up rather than out. This conserves an economic use of resources and benefits the planet.
Human ingenuity is constantly developing more ingenious ways to build homes and live in them.
The principles of Walter Segal may one day receive widespread approval and satisfactory homes may be built on smaller footprints.....close to golf courses.

 

[Kingokings204]

Watch this. Apparently on this thread we didn't vote to leave the single market as we don't know what brexit means apparently. This clears it up.

This tactic by remainers is disgusting and shown up to be fools on this one. It's a clear attempt to hijack brexit on their terms

 

[Astute]

I agree with you ASTUTE about housing, infrastructure, etc. But this IS the problem.
These are the sad consequences of DOMESTIC failure. The failure of Blair and Cameron govts to invest in things that are desperately required.
A shortage of housing, as CORBYN pointed out is not the fault of immigrants.
Scapegoating by the British media has to be the most shameful aspects of the Brexit debate and the idiocy of the brainwashed.

People coming to this country have not caused the problem. But they do make the problem worse. Ànd this is the problem with open borders. Say only 100,000 more come in than leave. We don't build enough to catch up by 100,000. So even more people end up homeless. It doesn't matter if they have just come here or were born here. Homelessness shouldn't happen in what is considered to be one of the best countries to live. There should be affordable housing for all. But we are miles away from it.

 

[martcov]

Same today as it was in 2007 isn't it? I'm sure it will change again ad the pound will strengthen. They're not fixed to each other they are distinct currencies!

Take a year, any year....... I am talking about before and after Brexit as this is part of the subject of the thread. People are saying the euro is finished, but funnily enough it is getting stronger against the pound. I am well aware that they are not fixed together. I have both. They are distinct - one is going up and the other is going down. Which is what I said.

 

[martcov]

Watch this. Apparently on this thread we didn't vote to leave the single market as we don't know what brexit means apparently. This clears it up.

This tactic by remainers is disgusting and shown up to be fools on this one. It's a clear attempt to hijack brexit on their terms

Oh really. Then what is the problem? Why on earth are people discusssing it. Let us throw it open to a debate and then a free vote in parliament. Why even bother appealing the High Court decision if we are all agreed? Why invoke Royal Preogative? I suspect though, that not all Brexiters thought that they were leaving the single market and that a vote would not go the way Farage thinks.

 

[Kingokings204]

Oh really. Then what is the problem? Why on earth are people discusssing it. Let us throw it open to a debate and then a free vote in parliament. Why even bother appealing the High Court decision if we are all agreed? Why invoke Royal Preogative? I suspect though, that not all Brexiters thought that they were leaving the single market and that a vote would not go the way Farage thinks.

Wow, you really are in denial. Only Cameron, osbourne, gove and Johnson and farage all said the same thing and still it's not right according to you. They all said yes or no we are leaving the single market? Come on.

Also I told you why. You must of missed it. Remainers are saying it to muddy the waters and to delay brexit as much as possible so it can be watered down. And get a half brexit in effect.

 

[Astute]

I suspect though, that not all Brexiters thought that they were leaving the single market and that a vote would not go the way Farage thinks.

How many people have you spoken to that thought leaving the EU meant so? Cameron and his buddies mentioned it enough.

 

[martcov]

Wow, you really are in denial. Only Cameron, osbourne, gove and Johnson and farage all said the same thing and still it's not right according to you. They all said yes or no we are leaving the single market? Come on.

I don't like Cameron, Osborne, Johnson and Farage and think they are all bullshitters. Having said that, if you are right that everyone is agreed that we are leaving the single market, then why not have parliament pass an act allowing the government to leave the single market? I think there are other people who want to leave the EU, but not the single market who are not represented in this video.But bring it on - legally.

 

[Astute]

I don't like Cameron, Osborne, Johnson and Farage and think they are all bullshitters. Having said that, if you are right that everyone is agreed that we are leaving the single market, then why not have parliament pass an act allowing the government to leave the single market? I think there are other people who want to leave the EU, but not the single market who are not represented in this video.But bring it on - legally.

So have you changed your mind and have now decided that we should keep some parts and get rid of others?

 

[martcov]

How many people have you spoken to that thought leaving the EU meant so? Cameron and his buddies mentioned it enough.

I used the word suspect, as there are still discussions going on amongst leavers. As I said, if that is so - all leavers voted to leave the single market, knowing full well what that means - and leavers are in the majority as claimed, put it to parliament and they will surely vote it through. They represent their electorate. You don't need the royal prerogative, just bring it on...

I don't know any leavers personally, only what I see on here and in the newspapers. According to the media not everybody is of the same opinion about the single market, but you are confident that they are, and that the people have won. Carry on then, but do it legally - through parliament.