Fisher live on CWR.... the countdown begins. (9 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Harry H]

Shoot me down in flames, but he didn't even blink at the 'ever decreasing fan base - and income, resulting in us going into Northern conference or wherever. Just kept threatening the 'I'll cut the playing squad' if fans don't come back. Offered no hope. Thought the Cov rugby lot being frightened off by last night's events was laughable. Shouted at the radio in my car !

 

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[tisza]

still wanted him called on these sites he claimed we'd bid for.
I would be marginally happier if i knew we'd actually properly tried to buy sites.

 

[ecky]

Agree, there are so many things they can do to make people feel connected.

It's alright talking in account speak and break even but what he should have done from the start is try and make it a community club like you say. Try and make the fans feel part of it, involved and wanted. If the same thing was done, but more transparent and communicated properly (and maybe even done by a new bloke rather than Fisher) then the outcome and feeling towards it could have been different.

He should be asking for the details of everybody on the phone in who said they wouldn't renew and phoning them all up. Look at places like Sky when you try and cancel the hoops they jump through to try and keep you.

It doesn't need multi million pound marketing budgets, it needs to think outside the box for a change to make people feel wanted which can cost nothing. If SISU are forcing CCFC to run at break even, then CCFC need to be trying to make the best of a shit situation.

Of course I'd love a rich new owner to come in and plough millions in, but being more realistic then if it is break even they need to have targets of making that figure higher and higher year on year.

Is there anything in this Richard Keys thing??

 

[martcov]

Nearly every year we look forward to a new manager and new players. A bit more than a year later we are in a crisis. We are told to look forward to a new manager and new players...... and so it goes on and will continue to do so until someone oneday offers Joy a heap of money for CCFC.

It costs nothing to plod along at plus minus nil. He is of course right and that would be great for a cardboard box factory, but CCFC is a sports club and should be competitive. The reality is that the fans will stop going and the club will continue downwards at plus minus nil for years and we will move on. But SISU don't have to realise their huge loss and therefore frighten off investors.

A totally different way of looking at things to that of a football fan.

 

[Nick]

Problem is it's toxic. A bit like selling timeshares in Chernobyl.
Gotta give the commercial people something to work with.
Does also go back to this point on little access to matchday and non-matchday revenues.

It isn't just commercial people though.

If it is already toxic they should be going out of their way to make things a bit better. Keep using the season ticket mess as an example, somebody gets an email or call saying to go to the ticket office to pick it up. If they get there and they have a little freebie and a smile to say sorry for the inconvenience then they are going to generally not be as pissed off. They could have made a mini event out of it and said "everybody waiting, come down between 4 and 8 for a surprise" and have a player there signing stuff.

That way people don't go home, go onto social media while things are already toxic as it then winds other people up and then it goes like a wave.

For example, look at when Juggy for a handwritten receipt. There was absolute outrage by so many people. If he had gone home and said "they had a player down there to meet us, gave me a cup of tea and a biscuit and a free ccfc badge or usb stick (something from china for less than a quid)" it would have been a completely different outcome.

That would have been 50 - 100 angry tweets gone, those 50 - 100 would be 400 - 500 likes and retweets, it would have stirred up and brewed.

 

[Nick]

Is there anything in this Richard Keys thing??

What Richard Keys thing?

 

[skybluetony176]

Is there anything in this Richard Keys thing??

That was a very old thread bumped up for no apparent reason.

 

[The Lurker]

Nearly every year we look forward to a new manager and new players. A bit more than a year later we are in a crisis. We are told to look forward to a new manager and new players...... and so it goes on and will continue to do so until someone oneday offers Joy a heap of money for CCFC.

It costs nothing to plod along at plus minus nil. He is of course right and that would be great for a cardboard box factory, but CCFC is a sports club and should be competitive. The reality is that the fans will stop going and the club will continue downwards at plus minus nil for years and we will move on. But SISU don't have to realise their huge loss and therefore frighten off investors.

A totally different way of looking at things to that of a football fan.

He's basing the model on football 30 years ago. Nowadays most owners are investors. Ours are not bothered the slightest. Fisher said protest all you want which makes me think they couldn't give a flying fuck.

 

[Nick]

That was a very old thread bumped up for no apparent reason.

Did people take that as a new rumour and start it up?

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

It hasn't worked and it never will.

The boycott is happening anyway. People have had enough. It does seem that break even is all. When Clive mentioned " even if this means playing in National North" he didn't disagree. I wish that Clive had pressed him on this. At what point would they then let the club go? When we drop out of the pyramid altogether, playing on a park pitch with one man and his dog watching?

 

[torchomatic]

The boycott is happening anyway. People have had enough. It does seem that break even is all. When Clive mentioned " even if this means playing in National North" he didn't disagree. I wish that Clive had pressed him on this. At what point would they then let the club go? When we drop out of the pyramid altogether, playing on a park pitch with one man and his dog watching?

Oh, I know it is. Never said it wasn't.

 

[Nick]

Oh and another example.

Look at what SBitC doing today and posting "get to know our team" stuff. It is good because people feel like they know the staff and it is more "personal".

 

[Banana897]

I feel sorry for fisher in a way. It's not exactly his choice to do what he's doing with the low budget etc. He's doing what has been asked of him. It's just his job. Even if he did resign, the next guy would be doing the same

 

[tisza]

It isn't just commercial people though.

If it is already toxic they should be going out of their way to make things a bit better. Keep using the season ticket mess as an example, somebody gets an email or call saying to go to the ticket office to pick it up. If they get there and they have a little freebie and a smile to say sorry for the inconvenience then they are going to generally not be as pissed off. They could have made a mini event out of it and said "everybody waiting, come down between 4 and 8 for a surprise" and have a player there signing stuff.

That way people don't go home, go onto social media while things are already toxic as it then winds other people up and then it goes like a wave.

For example, look at when Juggy for a handwritten receipt. There was absolute outrage by so many people. If he had gone home and said "they had a player down there to meet us, gave me a cup of tea and a biscuit and a free ccfc badge or usb stick (something from china for less than a quid)" it would have been a completely different outcome.

That would have been 50 - 100 angry tweets gone, those 50 - 100 would be 400 - 500 likes and retweets, it would have stirred up and brewed.

i would agree with this.
Customer service isn't complicated.
And as Fisher has referred to us several times today as "customers" rather than "supporters" something he should understand. One caller challenged him on this and rightly so.

 

[Captain Dart]

I don't understand why he is at the club if he doesn't get paid and clearly doesn't enjoy it? He basically described himself as purely being a bean-counter, controlling the cash flow isn't difficult if that's his remit. He's concise when stating he hasn't taken a penny from 'the club' in 18 months and doesn't work for sisu, So what are his business interests and how is he benefiting from his Sisu relationship?

So who benefited from the £314,000 re-enumeration paid to 3rd parties in respect of director's services in the 2015 SBS&L accounts?
Who benefited from the increase of around £318,000 noted as 'other pension costs' in the 2015 SBS&L accounts over what was paid in 2014?
Don't tell me the major players are not taking money out somehow, I do not believe it. Even Ranson made sure he was well looked after.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

I feel sorry for fisher in a way. It's not exactly his choice to do what he's doing with the low budget etc. He's doing what has been asked of him. It's just his job. Even if he did resign, the next guy would be doing the same

Yea and he's loving every fucking minute of it the smarmy twat

 

[tisza]

Did people take that as a new rumour and start it up?

Haven't seen it but Keys was on TalkSport again today saying he knows people that would invest and basically rubbishing Fisher's earlier interview.

 

[Nick]

i would agree with this.
Customer service isn't complicated.
And as Fisher has referred to us several times today as "customers" rather than "supporters" something he should understand. One caller challenged him on this and rightly so.

Exactly.

I know things can't be personal for thousands of people, but every caller tonight should have had a call back.

"If you want to pop down to Ryton I am happy to have a chat with you and explain. You may not fully agree but I am happy to give you the time to try and explain to you about this model and what we need to do, you can have a cup of tea and you might catch 5 or 10 minutes of training".

That's still doing break even, it is effectively doing what Fisher did with the phone in but it means those 5 or 6 people phoning up see that people are trying. They then tell their mates and it kills some of the toxity.

 

[skybluebeduff]

"Joy employed me to help sell Prozone"

Tim Fisher, 2013

"I have never worked for SISU"

Tim Fisher, 2016

 

[ecky]

I thought he was bang out of order when he said the club could get a £40k fine for last night and that would stop them buying a new centre back in January???

Which means Willis or Stevenson is going in the window, cheap shot that, he hates the cov fans that's clear after tonights debacle

 

[Nick]

I thought he was bang out of order when he said the club could get a £40k fine for last night and that would stop them buying a new centre back in January???

Which means Willis or Stevenson is going in the window, cheap shot that, he hates the cov fans that's clear after tonights debacle

Not sure why it is bang out of order, SISU aren't going to pay fines. People knew there would be fines and that the club would have to pay them.

 

[ecky]

"Joy employed me to help sell Prozone"

Tim Fisher, 2013

"I have never worked for SISU"

Tim Fisher, 2016

Tim Pinocchio Fisher

 

[torchomatic]

I thought he was bang out of order when he said the club could get a £40k fine for last night and that would stop them buying a new centre back in January???

Which means Willis or Stevenson is going in the window, cheap shot that, he hates the cov fans that's clear after tonights debacle

IT happens though. Clubs always get fined for pitch invasions.

 

[Nick]

"Joy employed me to help sell Prozone"

Tim Fisher, 2013

"I have never worked for SISU"

Tim Fisher, 2016

SISU didn't own prozone did they?

 

[ecky]

Not sure why it is bang out of order, SISU aren't going to pay fines. People knew there would be fines and that the club would have to pay them.

Bet we don't get a fine......and if we do tough

 

[Sumo the Micky Quinn]

Ive been saying that for ages. TM messed up the recruitment in the summer.

I agree.
But if all TM could offer a player was 50% of what the player wants then they are going to say no. Not every player is going to be like Joe Cole taking huge pay cuts to play.

Also not exactly TM's level of football, not used to looking at non league for those gems, more like looking down to league one for some premier league gems.

The only way Tims plan will work is for some one to build a team like Bobby Gould did in the 80's out of non League players, but even that plan is floored as a good team needs a good spine of players first.

But if we have a good spine of players they will be sold as soon as somebody offers a penny more than we paid for them.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

He said so many things that couldt be challenged. One thing was his comment about being "all dewy eyed about starting again at Level 8. You can't do it." Tell that to AFC Wimbledon fans who really only had themselves and a dream. No infrastructure what so ever, starting I think at Level 9 and only took 9 years to return to the league. They were also told by our friends at the FA/ FL, who Fisher says "are relaxed about our stadium situation", that it would be a bad idea to try to start again. Seems he is afraid of the Phoenix idea. I certainly believe that if Sisu do kill our club, a new one will emerge.

 

[Nick]

Bet we don't get a fine......and if we do tough

Villa got a £200k fine didn't they after fans went on after the game?

You can't say tough and then moan it's out of order. SISU won't get the fine, CCFC will.

 

[Chipfat]

Its great Tim doesn't get paid but does hours a day of free work on cash flow( which really means who can i sell next and then blame for the state of the club).

Sisu are not now losing money so they will sit on what they have until they are fed up or somebody with millions steps in.
And all in all they don't care and fans have to pick between going to watch sub standard football and the club die or go in hope that things turn round.

Oh and lastly the FL are really happy with our owners, who they know but have forgot who they are.

Top night. the only thing i can take from it personally is that i never expected any different from the useless tosser that is our TF...

 

[torchomatic]

I agree.
But if all TM could offer a player was 50% of what the player wants then they are going to say no. Not every player is going to be like Joe Cole taking huge pay cuts to play.

Also not exactly TM's level of football, not used to looking at non league for those gems, more like looking down to league one for some premier league gems.

The only way Tims plan will work is for some one to build a team like Bobby Gould did in the 80's out of non League players, but even that plan is floored as a good team needs a good spine of players first.

But if we have a good spine of players they will be sold as soon as somebody offers a penny more than we paid for them.

Agreed, but he said at the time that Championship clubs pipped us. He should have looked at more realistic targets.

 

[stupot07]

Not sure why it is bang out of order, SISU aren't going to pay fines. People knew there would be fines and that the club would have to pay them.

IT happens though. Clubs always get fined for pitch invasions.

Pretty sure this was highlighted as a likely consequence on the pre match protest thread.

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[Nick]

I agree.
But if all TM could offer a player was 50% of what the player wants then they are going to say no. Not every player is going to be like Joe Cole taking huge pay cuts to play.

Also not exactly TM's level of football, not used to looking at non league for those gems, more like looking down to league one for some premier league gems.

The only way Tims plan will work is for some one to build a team like Bobby Gould did in the 80's out of non League players, but even that plan is floored as a good team needs a good spine of players first.

But if we have a good spine of players they will be sold as soon as somebody offers a penny more than we paid for them.

So if TM was looking at potential premier league gems then it's no wonder we could only offer half their wages and they went to other clubs for more money.

 

[Nick]

Pretty sure this was highlighted as a likely consequence on the pre match protest thread.

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LAST I think has also said there has been a threat of points deduction if things go on the pitch that was from the FA.

 

[ecky]

Villa got a £200k fine didn't they after fans went on after the game?

You can't say tough and then moan it's out of order. SISU won't get the fine, CCFC will.

He has find the money though Nick? If it's not in the club what's JS going to say?

 

[Bill Glazier]

It doesn't cost a fortune to treat people as humans though. Like in the thread the other day, its the little things that sometimes count and go from there.

You could have a bloke dressed as sky blue sam on minimum wage in west orchards / gallagher over christmas when its busy handing out family ticket for £20 vouchers that jsbs get in return for signing up to the ccfc newsletter.

It's just about interacting with fans and potential fans.

Look at the season ticket mess, they could have kept the anger right down if they handled it properly.

Instead of "you will need to come and collect it", it should be "We are really sorry for this, if you come down to the ticket we will have a cup of tea while you wait and a free ccfc usb memory stick to say sorry". People then dont think its as bad, people dont take to social media to go mad. It may actually make CCFC look a bit better.

Yes, the little gestures won't fix the mess but it's a start isn't it?

But Sisu aren't interested in the football club are they? It was only ever a vehicle for their property ambitions and due to their greed and stupidity, those ambitions are done for. All that's left is to asset strip the training ground and liquidate the club. That's what they are now doing and Fisher's job is to pretend otherwise until the job's done. This is how hedge funds behave and I don't know why anyone expects anything else.