The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (7 Viewers)

[Astute]

Turkey has been "joining"the EU for 30 years, they have to agree some 20 odd conditions before they can join, they've only started discussions on a dozen of those and come to an agreement in that time on zero, they won't recognise Cyprus which is a massive hurdle they'll have to get over if they join, they even withdrew from talks altogether while Cyprus held the EU presidency and their human rights record was a problem when it was improving and it's got worse in the last eight years or so under the current regime. They're further away from joining now than they were when they first applied to join.

But like I said the EU can't afford Turkey to join the EU. They have had enough basket cases join already. And we won't be there to help pay to make a mess of their country like we have with others like Greece.

 

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[Sick Boy]

Isn't it strange how the UK went from being a basket case and having to rely on an IMF bailout, to one of the world's strongest economies, despite being in the EU.

 

[Astute]

So when were we a basket case and when did we suddenly have one of the worlds strongest economies?

 

[skybluetony176]

But like I said the EU can't afford Turkey to join the EU. They have had enough basket cases join already. And we won't be there to help pay to make a mess of their country like we have with others like Greece.

Turkeys government debt as a percentage is about half of ours and their growth rate is higher than ours. Whose the basket case? Us or them?

 

[skybluetony176]

So when were we a basket case and when did we suddenly have one of the worlds strongest economies?

I think the word is largest, not necessarily the same thing as strongest.

 

[Sick Boy]

IMF bailout in 1976
At a guess, the economy became a lot more robust around the time Major left and Blair took over.

 

[Astute]

Turkeys government debt as a percentage is about half of ours and their growth rate is higher than ours. Whose the basket case? Us or them?

Why do you try to twist the truth to make a point?

www.tradingeconomics.com/turkey/unemployment-rate

 

[Astute]

IMF bailout in 1976
At a guess, the economy became a lot more robust around the time Major left and Blair took over.

If you was old enough you would remember the strikes and how bad things got because the unions were too strong.

Once everyone got back to work things improved quite quickly. Nothing to do with the EU.

 

[Sick Boy]

If you was old enough you would remember the strikes and how bad things got because the unions were too strong.

Once everyone got back to work things improved quite quickly. Nothing to do with the EU.

Hahaha! You seem to pick and choose when the EU has an effect to suit your argument. Laughable.

 

[skybluetony176]

Why do you try to twist the truth to make a point?

tradingeconomics.com/turkey/unemployment-rate

I haven't twisted anything, I've highlighted two crucial elements to the survival of any economy. You've said Turkey is a basket case that would be a burden on us if they joined the EU while we're still in it but the truth is when you're using two of the major yardsticks they're doing better than us in some respects. It's all a pointless argument anyway because as I've pointed out, Turkey are further away from joining the EU than they were when they initially applied. Without a major shift in human rights and political freedom from the opposite direction that they're currently heading in it ain't ever going to happen and that's before you even mention Cyprus. Turkey was a red herring used by the out campaign, what baffles me is why you're still using it, it would be akin to me saying that the EU has stopped WW3, it's bollocks. Never going to happen.

 

[Grendel]

Hahaha! You seem to pick and choose when the EU has an effect to suit your argument. Laughable.

We were in the Common Market in 1976 not the EU as it is now but an agreement based on trade with the major European countries.

Corbyn even voted to get out of that a year earlier.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Turkeys government debt as a percentage is about half of ours and their growth rate is higher than ours. Whose the basket case? Us or them?

You may look & find the same evidence about somewhere like Afghanistan (I haven't looked) or in 10yrs time Syria - you have to consider the base they're starting from. You don't have to walk far in almost every direction from the glitziest parts of Istanbul before you think you've entered a scene from 'Live & Let Die'

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[Sick Boy]

We were in the Common Market in 1976 not the EU as it is now but an agreement based on trade with the major European countries.

Corbyn even voted to get out of that a year earlier.

Why are you so obsessed with Corbyn?

 

[Astute]

Hahaha! You seem to pick and choose when the EU has an effect to suit your argument. Laughable.

Back in the 70's there wasn't what we know as the EU. There was the common market. That is what we joined. We didn't join the EU.

Can you explain how the EU saved us when it didn't exist?

 

[Astute]

I haven't twisted anything, I've highlighted two crucial elements to the survival of any economy. You've said Turkey is a basket case that would be a burden on us if they joined the EU while we're still in it but the truth is when you're using two of the major yardsticks they're doing better than us in some respects. It's all a pointless argument anyway because as I've pointed out, Turkey are further away from joining the EU than they were when they initially applied. Without a major shift in human rights and political freedom from the opposite direction that they're currently heading in it ain't ever going to happen and that's before you even mention Cyprus. Turkey was a red herring used by the out campaign, what baffles me is why you're still using it, it would be akin to me saying that the EU has stopped WW3, it's bollocks. Never going to happen.

And missed out that they have a high unemployment rate. But you try to say that they are doing better than us :smuggrin:

One more thing. It wasn't me who brought Turkey into this.

 

[Sick Boy]

Back in the 70's there wasn't what we know as the EU. There was the common market. That is what we joined. We didn't join the EU.

Can you explain how the EU saved us when it didn't exist?

Can you explain how the UK became the 5th largest economies, despite being in the evil EU?

 

[Sick Boy]

And missed out that they have a high unemployment rate. But you try to say that they are doing better than us :smuggrin:

A country whose public sector workers are forced to rely on food banks has nothing to boast about. I guess that's the fault of the EU though as well this time.

 

[Astute]

Can you explain how the UK became the 5th largest economies, despite being in the evil EU?

1, When have I said that the EU is evil? I have stated that I think I am better off being in the EU. I also didn't vote for Brexit.

2, How could the EU have saved us when it didn't exist?

 

[Sick Boy]

And missed out that they have a high unemployment rate. But you try to say that they are doing better than us :smuggrin:

One more thing. It wasn't me who brought Turkey into this.

The example of Turkey was one of the main points on Leave's literature.

 

[Astute]

A country whose public sector workers are forced to rely on food banks has nothing to boast about. I guess that's the fault of the EU though as well this time.

If we didn't put net approx 10 billion pounds into the EU each year we would have more money to put where it needs.

 

[Sick Boy]

1, When have I said that the EU is evil? I have stated that I think I am better off being in the EU. I also didn't vote for Brexit.

2, How could the EU have saved us when it didn't exist?

Then why are we arguing for in the first place?! I didn't say it did, I said the IMF bailout did, and the Common Market, which merged into the EU, aided the UK's economy.

 

[Astute]

The example of Turkey was one of the main points on Leave's literature.

Just like millions of job losses and financial meltdown would happen if we voted leave. But as usual you only mention the lies from the Brexit lot. But they all fed us bullshit.

 

[Sick Boy]

If we didn't put net approx 10 billion pounds into the EU each year we would have more money to put where it needs.

If you're relying on these issues to be fixed once outside the EU, you're going to be disappointed.

Anyway, off to the beach to enjoy the 30c sun. Have a nice day.

 

[Astute]

Then why are we arguing for in the first place?! I didn't say it did, I said the IMF bailout did, and the Common Market, which merged into the EU, aided the UK's economy.

You tried to make out that the EU saved us.

 

[Sick Boy]

Just like millions of job losses and financial meltdown would happen if we voted leave. But as usual you only mention the lies from the Brexit lot. But they all fed us bullshit.

Always said both sides were not honest and the remain campaign was weak and ineffective.

 

[Astute]

If you're relying on these issues to be fixed once outside the EU, you're going to be disappointed.

Anyway, off to the beach to enjoy the 30c sun. Have a nice day.

Just back from the beach myself. Gonna be a nice day here.

 

[Astute]

Always said both sides were not honest and the remain campaign was weak and ineffective.

But only mention the lies from the Brexit lot.

 

[skybluetony176]

And missed out that they have a high unemployment rate. But you try to say that they are doing better than us :smuggrin:

One more thing. It wasn't me who brought Turkey into this.

I never said that they were doing better than us. I was just pointing out that when you take crucial yard sticks of the measure of any economy if they're a basket case what are we.

You certainly jumped on the Turkey band wagon and like I said, it's a red herring. I made that clear in my first post on Turkey at the top of the page, you then started to bring economies into it. If they were a glowing beacon of wealth that would relieve our financial contributions to the EU should they join and we remained I'd still be making my original point. Unless something drastically changes direction for Turkey they ain't joining and that looks so unlikely it doesn't look like they'll ever join.

 

[Astute]

Turkeys government debt as a percentage is about half of ours and their growth rate is higher than ours. Whose the basket case? Us or them?

I never said that they were doing better than us. I was just pointing out that when you take crucial yard sticks of the measure of any economy if they're a basket case what are we.

You certainly jumped on the Turkey band wagon and like I said, it's a red herring. I made that clear in my first post on Turkey at the top of the page, you then started to bring economies into it. If they were a glowing beacon of wealth that would relieve our financial contributions to the EU should they join and we remained I'd still be making my original point. Unless something drastically changes direction for Turkey they ain't joining and that looks so unlikely it doesn't look like they'll ever join.

Ah......OK

If someone owes 5k but struggles day to day to put food on the table they are seriously in debt. If someone owes 10k but has lots of spare cash each month and can easily afford the repayments then they are not seriously in debt.

How would you like to twist it this time?

 

[clint van damme]

If we didn't put net approx 10 billion pounds into the EU each year we would have more money to put where it needs.

 

[skybluetony176]

We were in the Common Market in 1976 not the EU as it is now but an agreement based on trade with the major European countries.

Corbyn even voted to get out of that a year earlier.

Actually we were in the European Community in 1976, being in the common market was part of that but we weren't in the common market and the common market alone. The European community became the EU in 1993 with the signing of the Maastricht treaty. Which we signed.

 

[skybluetony176]

Ah......OK

If someone owes 5k but struggles day to day to put food on the table they are seriously in debt. If someone owes 10k but has lots of spare cash each month and can easily afford the repayments then they are not seriously in debt.

How would you like to twist it this time?

Didn't realise that we had loads of spare cash. That must be why our debt is shrinking. It is shrinking isn't it?

And you're still missing the point that it's a complete non argument as Turkey, despite BoJos scaremongering during the leave campaign, aren't joining the EU. I'd even go as far as to say that there's more chance of us leaving and rejoining before Turkey join.

 

[Kingokings204]

 

[skybluetony176]

President Erdogan tells BBC: EU wastes Turkey's time - BBC News

Just saying.

 

[Astute]

And your point is?

We all know it was bullshit. Are you now going to list all the remain bullshit?

Didn't think so.